We're taking a moment ... and we're done.

Oz ,'Chosen'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Alibelle - May 10, 2005 7:42:05 am PDT #623 of 10458
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

he almost ate a baby for her. That's gotta mean something.

That's an interesting choice of an example, because it seemed to me as though he did not do that for Darla, but because he was desperately tired of being alone, and lonely, and different. He did not want a soul anymore, he wanted to go back to the way he used to be before that, when life was quite easy. And he needed to convince Darla, who was leading their little group, that he could be exactly the same as he was, so that he could have his old life back. It was, again, a rather impersonal thing. If it was the master traveling with them, then he would have almost eaten a baby for him. (I would've chosen Spike or Drusilla to replace her, but Drusilly wasn't competent and driven enough to lead then, and Angel has too many Spike issues for that to be a clean substitution.)

Yeah, I think B/A either you wave your hands frantically at the screen and go "look! See? Right there!" (me) or you don't, in which case it makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm with Katie. And the lack of seeing makes no sense whatsoever to me. (Mostly kidding.)


DavidS - May 10, 2005 8:55:33 am PDT #624 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Somebody wayback once noted that Angel reacted while Buffy acted. Buffy consistently showed a strong ability to improvise and exploit weaknesses in her enemies. Angel's plans sucked and they were usually reactions rooted in Must Protect Damsel.

However, I will note that as Angelus he was a master of protracted campaigns of terror (Driving Dru mad, Giles' Romantic Night 'O Death, playing Big Rubber Satan). Maybe a souled-up Angel is an overemotional/irrational Angel. (Maybe a souled up Angel is a bit of a damsel himself. Sort of like Xander.)


Matt the Bruins fan - May 10, 2005 9:44:33 am PDT #625 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

In that respect they butched him up a bit for his own show, but he was forever being saved/nursed back to health by Buffy when they were together.


Stephanie - May 10, 2005 9:50:06 am PDT #626 of 10458
Trust my rage

Oddly, it's the Sadie Hawkins/50's ghost ep where I see it strongest, that moment when the ghosts leave and it's Angelus and Buffy staring at her, and Angelus bolts instead of ripping her head off.

t sigh

One of my favorite episodes ever.


P.M. Marc - May 10, 2005 9:53:27 am PDT #627 of 10458
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Angelus/Big Rubber Satan 4 EVAH!!!!1!

Damn it.

I agree that B/A is a see-it-or-don't, which makes it near-impossible to explain. And other than that, I'm sticking to whatever it was I said earlier.


Atropa - May 10, 2005 9:58:13 am PDT #628 of 10458
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

resolving anything with a modern day empowered Drusilla.

In my universe, Drusilla is happily drifting around the country. She and Miss Edith pick new cities to visit, Dru buys postcards, and then she goes looking for interesting dinner companions.


Connie Neil - May 10, 2005 9:59:41 am PDT #629 of 10458
brillig

In my universe, Drusilla is happily drifting around the country. She and Miss Edith pick new cities to visit, Dru buys postcards, and then she goes looking for interesting dinner companions.

Heh, in *my* universe she's wandering around offing baby Slayers.


Atropa - May 10, 2005 10:00:39 am PDT #630 of 10458
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Heh, in *my* universe she's wandering around offing baby Slayers.

Well, they DO fall under the 'interesting dinner companion' heading ...


P.M. Marc - May 10, 2005 10:04:48 am PDT #631 of 10458
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Dear Dru: Start with Kennedy.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 10, 2005 10:06:07 am PDT #632 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Well, they DO fall under the 'interesting dinner companion' heading ...

You could even leave off the last word...