Mal: Gotta say, doctor, your talent for alienatin' folk is near miraculous. Simon: Yes, I'm very proud.

'Safe'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 10, 2005 7:37:28 am PDT #620 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Ugh. That just reminds me how bitter I am that they got Juliet Landau back in more than one episode for the final season and (comparatively) wasted her appearances on being a frilly love object in flashbacks rather than resolving anything with a modern day empowered Drusilla.

Part of me wishes she'd been in the lab holding Fred's head down over that sarcophagus, unbeknownst to anyone else.


Connie Neil - May 10, 2005 7:41:14 am PDT #621 of 10458
brillig

a modern day empowered Drusilla

"Crush" is the last time we see Dru in 'real time' isn't it.


Frankenbuddha - May 10, 2005 7:41:32 am PDT #622 of 10458
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Part of me wishes she'd been in the lab holding Fred's head down over that sarcophagus, unbeknownst to anyone else.

Oh man, Drusilla so would have done Illyria's bidding. They'd had to have gotten Juliet for an extended run though. That could have been fun. Although I'm not sure how long Illyria would have put up with the crazy.


Alibelle - May 10, 2005 7:42:05 am PDT #623 of 10458
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

he almost ate a baby for her. That's gotta mean something.

That's an interesting choice of an example, because it seemed to me as though he did not do that for Darla, but because he was desperately tired of being alone, and lonely, and different. He did not want a soul anymore, he wanted to go back to the way he used to be before that, when life was quite easy. And he needed to convince Darla, who was leading their little group, that he could be exactly the same as he was, so that he could have his old life back. It was, again, a rather impersonal thing. If it was the master traveling with them, then he would have almost eaten a baby for him. (I would've chosen Spike or Drusilla to replace her, but Drusilly wasn't competent and driven enough to lead then, and Angel has too many Spike issues for that to be a clean substitution.)

Yeah, I think B/A either you wave your hands frantically at the screen and go "look! See? Right there!" (me) or you don't, in which case it makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm with Katie. And the lack of seeing makes no sense whatsoever to me. (Mostly kidding.)


DavidS - May 10, 2005 8:55:33 am PDT #624 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Somebody wayback once noted that Angel reacted while Buffy acted. Buffy consistently showed a strong ability to improvise and exploit weaknesses in her enemies. Angel's plans sucked and they were usually reactions rooted in Must Protect Damsel.

However, I will note that as Angelus he was a master of protracted campaigns of terror (Driving Dru mad, Giles' Romantic Night 'O Death, playing Big Rubber Satan). Maybe a souled-up Angel is an overemotional/irrational Angel. (Maybe a souled up Angel is a bit of a damsel himself. Sort of like Xander.)


Matt the Bruins fan - May 10, 2005 9:44:33 am PDT #625 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

In that respect they butched him up a bit for his own show, but he was forever being saved/nursed back to health by Buffy when they were together.


Stephanie - May 10, 2005 9:50:06 am PDT #626 of 10458
Trust my rage

Oddly, it's the Sadie Hawkins/50's ghost ep where I see it strongest, that moment when the ghosts leave and it's Angelus and Buffy staring at her, and Angelus bolts instead of ripping her head off.

t sigh

One of my favorite episodes ever.


P.M. Marc - May 10, 2005 9:53:27 am PDT #627 of 10458
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Angelus/Big Rubber Satan 4 EVAH!!!!1!

Damn it.

I agree that B/A is a see-it-or-don't, which makes it near-impossible to explain. And other than that, I'm sticking to whatever it was I said earlier.


Atropa - May 10, 2005 9:58:13 am PDT #628 of 10458
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

resolving anything with a modern day empowered Drusilla.

In my universe, Drusilla is happily drifting around the country. She and Miss Edith pick new cities to visit, Dru buys postcards, and then she goes looking for interesting dinner companions.


Connie Neil - May 10, 2005 9:59:41 am PDT #629 of 10458
brillig

In my universe, Drusilla is happily drifting around the country. She and Miss Edith pick new cities to visit, Dru buys postcards, and then she goes looking for interesting dinner companions.

Heh, in *my* universe she's wandering around offing baby Slayers.