Marco: Do we look reasonable to you? Mal: Well. Looks can be deceiving. Jayne: Not as deceiving as a low down dirty... deceiver.

'Out Of Gas'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Vortex - Jun 05, 2008 10:00:42 am PDT #5988 of 10469
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I seem to remember Willow explaining it when she was putting together the resouling spell. I can't remember the details, but someone should be able to be more specific.


Wolfram - Jun 05, 2008 10:55:32 am PDT #5989 of 10469
Visilurking

I thought any soul would do. Like an organ transplant without all the rejection issues.

Or at least different rejection issues.


Vortex - Jun 05, 2008 11:18:02 am PDT #5990 of 10469
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I don't think so, otherwise, they wouldn't have been so careful when they needed to turn Angel into Angelus. It wouldn't have been a big deal when the soul disappeared, they could have just called another one.


tiggy - Jun 05, 2008 11:31:28 am PDT #5991 of 10469
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

plus, according to Joss mythology the soul is what makes the person because when it's gone there's "nothing" of that person left.


Wolfram - Jun 05, 2008 11:38:14 am PDT #5992 of 10469
Visilurking

Maybe calling a soul is the tricky part, not finding the same soul.

Also, I thought at some point someone said something like*, "Spiky got a soul" and not "Spike got his soul back." I could be wrong.

  • (how's that for vague)


Theresa - Jun 05, 2008 11:53:24 am PDT #5993 of 10469
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

plus, according to Joss mythology the soul is what makes the person because when it's gone there's "nothing" of that person left.

Which made the whole Illyria destroying Fred's soul all the more devastating. I have no idea if they retconned this in the graphic novels.


Laga - Jun 05, 2008 11:58:10 am PDT #5994 of 10469
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I think after Spike passed all the tests the demon-guy said "I will return (restore?) to you- your soul."


Strega - Jun 05, 2008 12:53:26 pm PDT #5995 of 10469

I'm pretty sure that almost anything said about souls on either show was contradicted later. For example:

according to Joss mythology the soul is what makes the person because when it's gone there's "nothing" of that person left.

We see a person with no soul in "I've Got You Under My Skin."

So mostly I believe the ideas I like best without worrying about consistency too much.


Steph L. - Jun 05, 2008 1:22:19 pm PDT #5996 of 10469
I look more rad than Lutheranism

according to Joss mythology the soul is what makes the person because when it's gone there's "nothing" of that person left.

I'm pretty sure that almost anything said about souls on either show was contradicted later. For example:

Plus, canon in BTVS S1-3 held* that when the person is vamped, the demon takes over, and the vamp is nothing like the person was in life, but we see later that that's more or less handwaved away, based on what we saw of Liam and William the Unbloody.

*(I know it was in Dopplegangland that Willow objected to skanky, kind-of-gay!vamp!Willow, and Buffy said that a vamp is nothing like the person was in life, and Angel started to contradict that but then trailed off. [Undoubtedly to keep from making human!Willow feel skanky and kind of gay.]

So I assume that that was the point where canon got a little dodgy, with the good guys still believing the lore about the vamp being nothing like the person, but we start to see that the vamps know that ain't necessarily so. Which makes sense, really, because prior to Angel, it's not like the Watchers/Slayers/good guys actually got to know any vampires, so of course they would believe the lore.)


tiggy - Jun 05, 2008 2:23:30 pm PDT #5997 of 10469
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

good point, Steph.