She just... she just did the math.

Kaylee ,'Objects In Space'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Wolfram - Apr 01, 2008 6:22:46 am PDT #5808 of 10469
Visilurking

After watching Hells Bells, I though OMWF (I'll never tell) was a great big hint! Even though seeing them sing I'll Never Tell was actually the first time I believed they really loved each other.

See I had the same reaction after seeing them sing it - that they loved each other. But I can't see the song as a hint, because it was both of them singing about their perfectly normal fears so they cancel each other out. That Xander would pull a runaway groom? I don't know.


Wolfram - Apr 01, 2008 6:25:30 am PDT #5809 of 10469
Visilurking

Don't get me wrong, I think the aftermath was great. I've also gained a lot of respect for the sixth season as a whole, which i didn't appreciate in the first go-round. That's why the Xander thing niggles at me.


sj - Apr 01, 2008 6:30:17 am PDT #5810 of 10469
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I think it makes a certain amount of sense that given how awful Xander's parents are, that he would freak out at the idea of becoming them.


le nubian - Apr 01, 2008 6:31:28 am PDT #5811 of 10469
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I've also gained a lot of respect for the sixth season as a whole

I'm not quite there yet. I liked the latter part of the season a whole lot and of course OMWF, but "Doublemeat Palace" is a stain on my consciousness.


JZ - Apr 01, 2008 8:13:04 am PDT #5812 of 10469
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

And, just to prove that someone's experience will always contradict that, "Doublemeat Palace" was the very first episode for a friend of mine who has been solidly, devoutly nerdishly obsessed with the show ever since. It helped that he had extremely vivid memories of his own working-his-way-through-college-in-fast-food-hell experience, complete with ghastly training/indocrination videos.


Steph L. - Apr 01, 2008 9:00:47 am PDT #5813 of 10469
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I think it makes a certain amount of sense that given how awful Xander's parents are, that he would freak out at the idea of becoming them.

It was foreshadowed in "Restless," too -- in Xander's dream, when he looks up the basement stairs, towards where his parents are, he says, "That's not the way out."

I never thought that line was meant to be taken literally, when everything else in the dream parts of the episode was metaphorical.


Wolfram - Apr 01, 2008 10:23:49 am PDT #5814 of 10469
Visilurking

Even if it was planned, which I guess it had to be, it just didn't seem true to Xander's character. He was not a runner and hider. Just the opposite, in fact. There was no particular trauma that would cause him to bolt, like there was for Buffy post-Angel killage. And when he breaks it off with Anya, there was no impetus for the breakup - unlike practically every other failed relationship on the show - Xander/Cordelia (Willow snogging), Giles/Jenny (Ripper's past almost getting her killed), Willow/Oz (Veruca), Buffy/Angel (soul-losing danger), Buffy/Riley (vampire skanks), Willow/Tara (mind controlling), Buffy/Spike (DOA), etc.

It's strange, but I would have been less bothered if Xander or Anya had been killed right before or after the wedding, than I was by the uncharacteristic Xander bail-out. At least death is outside of character development.


DavidS - Apr 01, 2008 10:37:34 am PDT #5815 of 10469
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

This discussion brings on a question that I'd like to put to the board. In your opinion,,,

What is the most out of character moment for each of the main characters during the run of the series?


Frankenbuddha - Apr 01, 2008 10:44:27 am PDT #5816 of 10469
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

What is the most out of character moment for each of the main characters during the run of the series?

I assume you mean when there's no in-story explanation for the behavior (a la Band Candy)?

There was a moment in season 7 where Giles made a bizzarely smarmy comment (I recall it as some sort of inneundo), that I think triggered Giles-is-Ethan-shapeshifted theory (coming as it did just after the poorly done fake-out of First!Giles). Even more than the other pod!Giles moments that season, that one struck me as most out of character.


Dana - Apr 01, 2008 10:45:42 am PDT #5817 of 10469
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Cordelia, during whatever episode it was where she yelled at Angel for being mean to pregnant Darla. You know, pregnant VAMPIRE Darla.