What? I'm not allowed to hit people? Wesley: Not people capable of genocide. Angel: Those are exactly the types of people I should be allowed to hit!

'Just Rewards (2)'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Topic!Cindy - May 05, 2005 1:45:00 am PDT #560 of 10457
What is even happening?

That's pretty much what I was thinking. I didn't even notice the dumb cuffed pants, because I was thinking how flawless GT looks, out in the middle of the day, even in a candid of her wearing her grumpy face.


Alibelle - May 05, 2005 9:05:42 am PDT #561 of 10457
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

I cuff my pants sometimes. It's fun. I thought Gina's cuffed pants looked great. Though I do agree it's not a look for everybody.


Jessica - May 05, 2005 9:09:01 am PDT #562 of 10457
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

You need long legs and a relatively statuesque frame to pull it off. Otherwise it just makes you look short.

("You" meaning "one," obviously, and not anyone in particular.)


Alibelle - May 05, 2005 9:46:29 am PDT #563 of 10457
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

You also have to watch where it hits on your calves, since it can make them look gigantic, if it's at the wrong spot. But generally, heels help with the long-leggedness.


Mikey - May 05, 2005 3:04:20 pm PDT #564 of 10457
All this time, I thought Hunter was a bitch. Turns out she was just hungry.

You need long legs and a relatively statuesque frame to pull it off. Otherwise it just makes you look short.

That's probably why guys wear the Sailor Moon costumes instead.


Typo Boy - May 05, 2005 7:58:32 pm PDT #565 of 10457
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah watching at CBC. Not at Dalek ep yet; that is next week for us North Americans who don't download.


Lee - May 07, 2005 3:51:11 pm PDT #566 of 10457
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Who do you think was more important to Angel, Darla or Buffy?


SailAweigh - May 07, 2005 4:03:05 pm PDT #567 of 10457
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Darla, she made him into Angelus. As Angel, everything he did was to try and undo what Darla had done, even if he did say it was Buffy who inspired him.


Zenkitty - May 07, 2005 4:22:14 pm PDT #568 of 10457
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Tough call. Angel started trying to do good in the world because he was smitten with Buffy and wanted to be worthy of her. So she had a major impact on his life even before she met him or fell in love with him. But just look at what he did to be worthy of Darla - he tried really hard to be evil for her after he got ensouled; he just didn't have the heart for it anymore. He was no more capable of being evil for her than he had been of being good for his father. Everything Angelus did, I'm convinced, was at least in part to be worthy of her, to be evil enough to please her. In a sense, both women created him; Darla created Angelus out of Liam (who wasn't going to create anything of himself but a pretty corpse) and Buffy (her influence) created the hero Angel out of the rat-eating gutter-living creature that was finally left when the ensouled vampire had no more purpose - no one else's needs or opinions to shape him. Angel has never been self-directed; he's always molded himself into whatever the person most important in his life wanted him to be.

I say Buffy was most important to him, because she instilled the conscience (it's pretty clear from AYNOHYEB that the conscience wasn't a gift-with-purchase with the soul) that lead to the choices that lead to his ultimate fate (if indeed he died and was redeemed, which I kinda think was the point of the ending of the show).

I can't believe I'm still putting this much thought into a tv show that's over. Even if I did love it.


Alibelle - May 07, 2005 6:54:47 pm PDT #569 of 10457
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

I say Buffy. Because Darla was someone Liam met rather accidentally, and the events that followed from that weren't really anything that Angel himself chose, personally, because it was important to him. He was evil, and he wanted to be the most evil guy there was. Then Darla brought him the gypsy, and again, his life was completely changed, and again, it was something that was more done to him, than chosen by him. When he met Buffy, his change was more personal, and was something that he worked hard for, and wanted. I would say that Buffy's impact upon him was more direct, and that's why she is more important to him. Darla is also an important person in Angel's life, but all her contributions were rather incidental, in a way, and could have been made by anybody. His bond with Buffy could not have happened with just anybody, or even any Slayer. It was something specific that could only have happened with her.

So, that's why I say Buffy.