Wesley: Illyria can be...difficult. Testing her might be hard without getting someone seriously hurt. Angel: We'll make Spike do it. Wesley: Good.

'Underneath'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


P.M. Marc - Aug 22, 2007 9:15:38 am PDT #5162 of 10469
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Perhaps they should have created a little brother for Buffy instead of a little sister and then they could have killed him off.

Even if you moved it beyond regulars or recurrings, there's no reason sweet, doomed Cassie had to be female. She could have been sweet, doomed, and male. Sure, you would't have the Cassandra play, though I guess he still could have been a Cass (I'm picturing him played by a Kyle Gallner type, amusingly enough).


Sophia Brooks - Aug 22, 2007 9:17:24 am PDT #5163 of 10469
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I'm picturing him played by a Kyle Gallner type, amusingly enough

Poor Kyle Gallner, sweet and doomed (and sometimes a phsycopath)


sumi - Aug 22, 2007 9:17:27 am PDT #5164 of 10469
Art Crawl!!!

Is that the heart failure? (So confusing with the Cassie from SPN) - isn't there a famous Classical seer who is male that nobody listened to either? Possibly Tiresias.


beekaytee - Aug 22, 2007 9:18:46 am PDT #5165 of 10469
Compassionately intolerant

A lot of things that form disturbing trends in media seem fine divorced from the trend, but the problem is, the trend's still there.

Exactly.

Then, over time, one looks back, aghast and shakes the collective head. "Gosh, how could foot binding have been perpetrated for ONE THOUSAND freaking years? Answer: It was a 'popular trend.'

eta: Oh my. I am the rantypants today. Really stepping away now...


d - Aug 22, 2007 9:20:35 am PDT #5166 of 10469
It's nice to see some brave pretenders trying to make it interesting.

And, much as I liked Spike glowing light dying, I rather wish he had dies before he tried to rape Buffy, and/or stayed dead and not been on Angel.

I agree with the die before rape bit, but since he didn't I'm actually glad he was on Angel because I love Season 5 and it's my understanding there would not have been S5 without Spike. You can't take the wee little puppet man or Illyria away from me!

I never twigged much to gender issues the way some do. It's an intriguing argument, but I think I agree with Una at the moment. I have no refuting in regards to Cassie, however.


Sophia Brooks - Aug 22, 2007 9:21:24 am PDT #5167 of 10469
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Would we rather have (and I am really curious) more dead good males, or more alive good females?


Sophia Brooks - Aug 22, 2007 9:23:26 am PDT #5168 of 10469
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

but since he didn't I'm actually glad he was on Angel because I love Season 5

I liked Season 5, actually, I just think that Spike's overall arc of loving Buffy worked better if he stayed dead.


Vortex - Aug 22, 2007 9:23:45 am PDT #5169 of 10469
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Perhaps they should have created a little brother for Buffy instead of a little sister and then they could have killed him off.

couldn't have been any more annoying. I think that they could have killed Dawn off after the key thing. As much as I like the PH arc, they still could have had it without Dawn. OTOH, if both Dawn and her mother had died, and her Watcher gone, what would have kept Buffy in Sunnydale?


Atropa - Aug 22, 2007 9:24:59 am PDT #5170 of 10469
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I think Spike's overall arc would have worked better if after he had gotten the soul, he made a choice to go back to being evil.


Ailleann - Aug 22, 2007 9:25:52 am PDT #5171 of 10469
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

what would have kept Buffy in Sunnydale?

Crushing grief? A Hellmouth to keep an eye on? High real-estate prices?