Hey, preaching to the choir. I thought our Lady of the Perpetual Sea Breeze was the real deal until the Divine Miss J walked right through that door and right into my ass—which is where my heart is…physiologically. I could show you an x-ray.

Lorne ,'Time Bomb'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Am-Chau Yarkona - May 03, 2005 4:02:58 am PDT #515 of 10457
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

I didn't think humanising the Dalek was lame; in fact, I thought it was a really good episode, especially given that they didn't humanise him too far, and that they used it to point up the Doctor's alienness. Though the whole DNA-from-Rose thing was a huge plot weakness.

But then, I like fanfic, so you could still be right about it being ficcy. (Am I wrong in reading your comment as using 'fan-ficcy' in a negative sense?) I wouldn't be surprised if RTD doesn't think about writing the show in quite a ficcy way, actually, given that he's a long-time fan and writing based on an extensive canon.

Ahem. Yes, very Buffyish-- in the plot and in, for example the one-liners. And the doomed love affair between an older 'alien' man and a young strong woman, if you can bring yourself to read it as a love affair, which I'm trying desperately not to, and failing...


Tom Scola - May 03, 2005 4:07:58 am PDT #516 of 10457
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

I've yet to read a review of Dr. Who that hasn't compared it to Buffy.


Jim - May 03, 2005 4:18:54 am PDT #517 of 10457
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Yeah, I meant fanficcy as a bad thing - there's a tendency in a lot of the fic I've read to start "wouldn't it be cool if...", and episodes which pander to that tend, IM, to be the weakest ones. Also this was the first episode that relied on you knowing the canon to be remotely interesting, which for a teatime BBC1 show is fatal. The idea of doing Enemy Mine with Daleks was cool, but they needed to re-establish them as unstoppable relentless killing machines before they did it. If you'd never seen a Dalek before this episode - and the target audience wouldn't have - then you don't understand why they're so scary and why humaniing them is interesting. Plus the Dalek voice, when used for anything other than ' I WILL EXTERMINATE!" sounds bloody daft.


Tom Scola - May 03, 2005 4:20:19 am PDT #518 of 10457
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

I'm just thankful that they didn't resurrect Davros yet again for this episode.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 03, 2005 4:29:45 am PDT #519 of 10457
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Give it time... he's the #2 recurring villain after the Master, isn't he ?


DCJensen - May 03, 2005 5:25:24 am PDT #520 of 10457
All is well that ends in pizza.

Yeah, if one Dalek fell through a rift in space-time who knows what else could.


Am-Chau Yarkona - May 03, 2005 6:59:07 am PDT #521 of 10457
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Jim, I think it's highly likely that, despite being of a previously non-Who-watching generation, I've done more background research than the target audience, which would indeed tend to make this episode more interesting to me. Fair point.

Daniel, since the Radio Times summary of episode 11, "Boom Town", says "The Doctor comes across someone he thought was long dead", I think it's so likely as to be almost certain that something else got through from either the Dalek destruction or Gallifrey's destruction. taraljc on lj had a nice essay related to that, actually.


DCJensen - May 03, 2005 7:41:22 am PDT #522 of 10457
All is well that ends in pizza.

So episode 5 may also set a precident for furure eps. Interesting.


Kathy A - May 03, 2005 7:56:52 am PDT #523 of 10457
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Um, where are all the USians watching Dr. Who? Is it on BBC-America already?


Connie Neil - May 03, 2005 7:57:49 am PDT #524 of 10457
brillig

Um, where are all the USians watching Dr. Who? Is it on BBC-America already?

No, it's not. AFAIK, all the USians who are watching are downloading it.