I miss Oz.
(i never liked Willow with Tara.)
It's possible that he's in the land of perpetual Wednesday, or the crazy melty land, or you know, the world without shrimp.
Anya ,'Showtime'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
tiggy - Mar 13, 2007 4:37:30 pm PDT #4743 of 10469
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
-t - Mar 13, 2007 4:39:54 pm PDT #4744 of 10469
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Mmm, nice smoky effects.
-t - Mar 13, 2007 4:43:47 pm PDT #4745 of 10469
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Willow had such an interesting emotional arc in this one. Possibly even more teenage girl typical than Buffy's.
Vonnie K - Mar 14, 2007 2:54:18 am PDT #4746 of 10469
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
Joss snaps at the latest attempt at Marti-bashing and delivers a smackdown at Whedonesque: [link]
Wow. No matter how one feels about S6-7 (and the amount of vitriol from fandom toward Noxon in particular has always bothered me), what the original poster said was incredibly tacky, so, way to go, Joss.
Topic!Cindy - Mar 14, 2007 3:04:44 am PDT #4747 of 10469
What is even happening?
Yeah. Each time I think I'm over Joss, he makes me fall in love with him, all over again.
Strega - Mar 14, 2007 4:40:47 am PDT #4748 of 10469
I think the fan vitriol directed at Noxon should be aimed at Whedon instead. So, kinda mixed feelings.
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 14, 2007 5:04:48 am PDT #4749 of 10469
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Point Pleasant did not fill me with admiration of Marti Noxon's showrunning capabilities and I'm pretty sure Joss wasn't responsible for that.
I can't speak to exactly what Marti was responsible for in later seasons of Buffy but my impression has always been that she's much better as a writer on an individual episode basis than trying to hold everything together for season arcs. Which isn't really a horrible indictment—before Wonderfalls I was far more impressed with Tim's writing than his stint as showrunner, and I now anticipate each new project from him as much as from Joss.
Vonnie K - Mar 14, 2007 5:25:41 am PDT #4750 of 10469
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
I think the fan vitriol directed at Noxon should be aimed at Whedon instead.
I liked most of S6 (S7, less so, but I loved "Chosen") but yeah, if one is to be bitter toward TPTB, surely a large part of the blame must fall on Joss's shoulder. Which is sort of what he said in his post.
I stopped watching Grey's Anatomy after S2, but the show feels like good fit for MN's talents.
Polter-Cow - Mar 14, 2007 5:29:13 am PDT #4751 of 10469
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Matt, what years was Tim a showrunner on Angel and what didn't you like about them?
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 14, 2007 5:38:30 am PDT #4752 of 10469
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
He was showrunner for year 3, and it would be easier to list what I did like about that season after about episode 6 or so. Though the most horrible thing was what was done to Cordelia's characterization in the name of making her more "heroic"/a suitable love interest for Angel, and I think that was a Joss & David Greenwalt decision (Greenie was the loudest voice talking about how great the changes were). Overall I thought the season didn't hold together cohesively and descended into melodrama without the layers and, well, somewhat sensical plots that made the similarly melodramatic Buffy season 3 enjoyable.