Well some friends of Buffy played a funny joke and they took her stuff and now she wants us to help get it back from her friends who sleep all day and have no tans.

Xander ,'Lessons'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Frankenbuddha - Sep 20, 2006 10:18:29 am PDT #3840 of 10469
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

At least I have started talking about burning baby fishes around people's heads. Yet.

Your slip is showing, Dr. Freud...


JZ - Sep 20, 2006 10:20:09 am PDT #3841 of 10469
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I really can't wait for the W&P to get to S7 -- rewatching it all in a gulp last month without the stupid aeon-long hiatuses in between every episode, it came across as much more Xanderly than on the first viewing. Even the middle and later episodes full of speeches and Potentials and trying to cram massive amounts of plot into the little time remaining had lots of small Xander grace notes.

Actually, S7 in general went way, way up in my estimation on an all-at-once rewatch. So much more balanced. There wasn't anywhere near as much Potential plot-hogging or tedious speechifying as I remembered; the season-long character arcs, especially for Xander but really for everyone, felt much clearer; it didn't feel so much All About Spike; the two or three light fluffy standalones were much more enjoyable when they weren't coming on the heels of a month of no episodes at all and immediately followed by another month of nothing. IMO, the craxy airing schedule did a massive disservice to S7; I'm all bouncy and eager to see what everyone else thinks.


Atropa - Sep 20, 2006 10:20:15 am PDT #3842 of 10469
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Your slip is showing, Dr. Freud...

Hush! Nothing to see here, move along ...


Frankenbuddha - Sep 20, 2006 10:25:44 am PDT #3843 of 10469
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Actually, S7 in general went way, way up in my estimation on an all-at-once rewatch. So much more balanced. There wasn't anywhere near as much Potential plot-hogging or tedious speechifying as I remembered; the season-long character arcs, especially for Xander but really for everyone, felt much clearer; it didn't feel so much All About Spike; the two or three light fluffy standalones were much more enjoyable when they weren't coming on the heels of a month of no episodes at all and immediately followed by another month of nothing. IMO, the craxy airing schedule did a massive disservice to S7; I'm all bouncy and eager to see what everyone else thinks.

Ooh. This is the first thing that, selected eps aside, has made me really want to get around to watching my season 7 DVDs. I suspected the above might be the case, but had too much other stuff on my plate to make the time to find out. Does the pod!Giles stuff seem less pod-y?

Also, have you watched season 6 in one big go? I'm curious if that plays better as well, as I recall the scheduling was similar.


victor infante - Sep 20, 2006 10:27:27 am PDT #3844 of 10469
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Does the eventual eye loss make her feel better?

Not really, because it wasn't a consequence of either The Lie or his bouts of self-righteousness.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 20, 2006 10:37:26 am PDT #3845 of 10469
What is even happening?

I think that the Xanderest thing ever is "Calvary's here! Calvary is scared guy with a rock, but he's here!" *sob*

Oh, yeah. Well, that's probably the Xanderst line (more specific than 'thing'), okay, maybe it's tied with his first line to Buffy: "Can I have you?"

Actually, his entire set of lines in his whole first scene with Buffy is a study in meet-cute.

Oh, another Xandery line is, "I'm going to go home, lie down, and listen to country music--the music of pain."

has never forgiven Xander for big lie, never will

Buffy has. She knows what happened. I mean, it's not precisely canon that she knows, but it's totally in character for her to know, and the conversation with Willow and Xander in S7's Selfless, gave her enough information to piece it together.

Before that episode, I used to like to think that she figured out the lie, really early, maybe right after she sent Angel to Hell, and that knowing about it contributed to her running off to L.A.

I honestly think he was totally wrong, and yet it was probably the right thing to do, at the same time. I think it's possible Buffy might have gotten herself killed, trying not to kill Angelus--just biding time, waiting for the spell to kick in.

Also, have you watched season 6 in one big go? I'm curious if that plays better as well, as I recall the scheduling was similar.

Last summer, Scott and I watched the first six seasons in one gulp. Season 6 played much better, but we never did get more than halfway through season 7. I love what happened in season 7 (the narrative, I guess), but I hate the execution of it.


JZ - Sep 20, 2006 10:42:00 am PDT #3846 of 10469
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Does the pod!Giles stuff seem less pod-y?

Somewhat, yes. There's still not enough of him, and the saving-himself-from-the-swinging-axe still seems highly improbable and asspully, but he's definitely Giles (it helps a lot to know from the get-go that he's really Giles and not the First, so you can just watch his performance instead of obsessing about whether or not he's touching anyone (that bit of Stupid Plot Tricks still bugs, unfortunately)).

He's gloomier and less supportive of Buffy than in the past, which is slightly out of character, but on a non-chopped-up rewatch of the whole season it's much clearer that this was a conscious decision on the part of the writers, not laziness or ineptitude; it's there to serve Buffy's arc, to push her One Slayer All Alone/This Is Too Big For One Slayer dilemma. Which was for me a much clearer arc on continuous rewatch, and which made her inspired decision to use the Scythe to share her power with every possible Slayer everywhere feel much more powerful, more of a breakthrough, more emotionally resonant not just on a big meta Jossian metaphorical level but as a brilliant, sweet resolution to the misery and isolation of this one particular girl whose story is being told.

This is all with the caveat that it may just be me; it's entirely possible that most people will rewatch it all and still think S7 sucks desiccated donkey balls, and that my viewing experience was heavily influenced by pregnancy hormones and carrying-a-daughter mental wanderings (though, admittedly, Hec seemed to like S7 better too, and he was under rather less of a hormonal onslaught).


Vortex - Sep 20, 2006 10:43:42 am PDT #3847 of 10469
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I think it's possible Buffy might have gotten herself killed, trying not to kill Angelus--just biding time, waiting for the spell to kick in.

which is why I have forgiven him. She wouldn't have fought nearly as hard as she did if she thought that it might happen. Plus, even if she had known, Angelus still would have opened Acathala's mouth.


juliana - Sep 20, 2006 10:49:51 am PDT #3848 of 10469
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

I think it's possible Buffy might have gotten herself killed, trying not to kill Angelus--just biding time, waiting for the spell to kick in.

which is why I have forgiven him. She wouldn't have fought nearly as hard as she did if she thought that it might happen. Plus, even if she had known, Angelus still would have opened Acathala's mouth.

standing in Vortex & Cindy's corner. We're very pretty.

I'm not joining in on the W&P because 1) I don't have S3-7 and don't want to have to pull out after S2 and 2) I don't have time, but I'm loving the discussion it's all sparking.


Vortex - Sep 20, 2006 10:50:25 am PDT #3849 of 10469
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

standing in Vortex & Cindy's corner. We're very pretty.

yes, we are.