I forgot -- I'll just have to catch up -- but I expect more insight people....The only thing I will be watching for that is new is Sara's face

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I love how inappropriately enthusiastic Giles is -- and the creepy music in that first Buffy/Giles scene.

Hec, I can't believe you never got the Darla/Buffy parallel in this episode!

I'm still watching. Up to where the vamp takes Willow to the crypt. Oh and there's Darla!

(Oops, didn't even notice my typo 'til Hec quoted me!)

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Hec, I can't believe you never got the Darla/Buffy parallel in this episode!

I'm dense. Like an extra-firm tofu.

Up to where the vamp takes Wililow to the crypt.

He was cute, but he disappointed the Master. "There's something in your eye."

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He was cute, but he disappointed the Master. "There's something in your eye."

Wait - didn't Buffy dust him?

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Wait - didn't Buffy dust him?

Like I'm going to spoil you twice in the same minute.

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End of episode.

Do we go on to the Harvest tonight? Or wait 'til next week?

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Or wait 'til next week?

Next week. Though maybe not on Tuesday since it's a crowded televisual night. Do you have a preference, Sumi?

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Actually, for me Tuesday is going to clear up the week after next. (9 pm central: I can always catch Nip/Tuck at 10 or tape it.)

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Oh, I hardly ever (if ever, at all) got to do a Watch and Post with you people, because my TV seldom lived in the same room as my PC, so catching up this morning is, for me, more true to my real Buffy experience than watching and posting. It was so fun. I didn't even watch the episode, but I know it so well that all your W&P comments were all I needed. Great job, Buffistas.

How come I never noticed the Darla / Buffy parallel before?

Joss always talked about the blonde in the alley, but Darla is exactly the same blonde in peril who turns out to not be helpless.

For real? You didn't even notice it once you saw both episodes of Becoming? Becoming II ends with Buffy saying, "Close your eyes," before she kills Angel, which is what Darla says at the beginning of Becoming I, just before she sinks her fangs into Liam. Hec, have you ever watched WTTH on the DVD, with Joss's episode commentary turned on? If he doesn't state the parallel outright, he does at least go on about how he's intentionally subverting the little blonde, female horror victim with Darla, too.

I wonder if Julie Benz had a clue that this would be the most important role of her career?

I'm starting to wonder if SMG did, either. I hope her career picks up. I think she has some good chops when she's playing well written characters (and direction probably plays a part, too). I have an awful time watching SMG in anything where she plays a victim.

And, even though it's not SMG and not Buffy, that was probably the hardest thing for me to take about Veronica Mars, at first.

Backstory not explored: Willow's relationship with Jesse.

Watching the series premiere always makes me remember that Xander and Willow have always been best friends sometimes seemed like a bit of retcon. It was smooth retcon, and didn't conflict with canon, but it doesn't seem for-certain in WTTH/TH.

They showed that scene (the one with cordy and willow and xander and buffy and jesse) at a Veronica Mars I went to last year in L.A. It was awesome.

Gris, why did they show that scene at a Veronica Mars [thing]?

I also forgot a bit that Giles has a mini Wesley-change. I forgot how stiff he started, way back in the day. I wonder if Joss was like "don't worry, the stuffy English stereotype will slowly be replaced with awesome baddassery, swear."

I don't think so. From what I recall of interviews and commentary, I think they decided to de-ponce Giles in response to what they were seeing on screen and ASH's range.

I miss the library. The Magic Shop was a decent backup zone, but the Library was best.

This is nearly as true as, "High school is hell."

Angel's so cute! I forgot how much older David Boreanaz got. Stupid time.

Angel, Buffy and Xander aged the most over the seven (eight for Angel) years we had them. It's less obvious with Aly, ASH, CC, and Kristine. Dawn changed a lot in the two years we had her, but that's because she was being played by an actual child.

On a shallow note, I think SMG is more appealing rounder, and not so hollywood-lean.

I agree. Sometimes, in seasons 6 and 7, it bothered me to look at her--took me out of the story.

Woo Bronze! Yay Willow! Here comes my favorite line seriously EVER. It's on my facebook profile. I love dorky Willow.

What's the favorite line, Gris?

And without the menstrual cramps.

That was one of the few elements of the movie I liked. I liked that Buffy had a specific reaction in her uterus to the presence of evil. I just did. There ought to be some benefit to the bastards. Call me crazy. JUST DON'T CALL ME HORMONAL.

You kind of have to handwave about Angel being defensively snarky to make this fit the later backstory.

Not too much. He'd been isolating for years, had huge guilt issues, and then fell hook, line and sinker for the girl and her calling. Angel intentionally dons a mask because he doesn't want her to know what he is, and doesn't want to be what he is.

Aww, I got to fanwank! A Buffy! (continued...)

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( continues...) Thanks chrismg.

I guess they had to drop the bit about her being able to sense vampires, or else Angel wouldn't have been able to fool her.

She still senses vamps in WTTH or TH. Not sensing that Angel is a vamp is easy to handwave. First of all, she kind of did sense him. She attacked him when he was following her and she was all, "I really didn't like him," about Angel, to Giles. But for people who don't see that "sensing," you can chalk it up to Angel having a soul. Also, he did not attack her, or even fight back, when she jumped him. He gave her a cross.

More fanwanking. I'm so happy. Plus anything that used to induce me to ragewank is still over 100 episodes away.

perhaps she senses the lack of soul, and that's why she didn't know about Angel waves hand.

Okay, so I didn't get there first, Vortex did, but I got there. With Vortex. Who, if I recall correctly, also gets allergy attacks during The Prom, so it's all extra good.

"Excuse me. I have to call everyone I have ever met, right now."

One of the best lines, ever.

Also, worst last line in a weird supernatural bible passage ever. "Hell itself will come to town." Wha?

Yes. That was stupid. They had all this great, prophecy-esque language, and then hell's coming "to town." Just like Santa Claus. Heh. Goobers. It's like Joss started the prophetic language, told an intern to finish it up while he went to get coffee, and then never checked back on the finished product. If he were George Lucas, we could get that rewritten. Thank goodness he's not George Lucas. I love my dead show.

Yep. She is. 16, and wanting anything but the weight of the world on her shoulders, the poor dear.

Read me the signs! Tell me my FORTUNE! [...] I'm sixteen, I don't want to die! Sorry, wrong episode, but the Buffy Tourette's isn't likely to clear up. And besides, aww. That's our girl.

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