Come on out, River. The nice man wants to kidnap you.

Simon ,'Objects In Space'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Allyson - May 25, 2006 8:00:24 am PDT #2987 of 10464
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

And then there's this:

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Which is disturbing the fuck out of me as well. Just visceral. But it angers me, deeply, as cover art for a Spike comic.


Topic!Cindy - May 25, 2006 8:01:13 am PDT #2988 of 10464
What is even happening?

Ew. What the?


Allyson - May 25, 2006 8:01:21 am PDT #2989 of 10464
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Man. I'm jus full of piss and vinegar today. ita should gift me with a nice provocateuse link.


§ ita § - May 25, 2006 8:11:03 am PDT #2990 of 10464
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the implication that if you don't get a charge from the comic, or have no interest in it, you weren't really a Buffy fan

You weren't really a hardcore Buffy fan. I think there's a difference.

New Rodrigo Santoro.


Vortex - May 25, 2006 8:16:02 am PDT #2991 of 10464
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

You weren't really a hardcore Buffy fan. I think there's a difference.

OTOH, maybe you're more hardcore if you don't like the comics, because you stay true to the original vision :)


§ ita § - May 25, 2006 8:18:46 am PDT #2992 of 10464
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

maybe you're more hardcore if you don't like the comics, because you stay true to the original vision :)

Or maybe you're less, because you're rejecting Joss-approved works in the universe.

And the original vision may just be the movie.


Strega - May 25, 2006 8:20:22 am PDT #2993 of 10464

this crawls right up my back and sinks its teeth in my spine. Why?

Well, considering that he was talking about how beloved, mythic characters can reach people... I have absolutely no idea.

the implication that if you don't get a charge from the comic, or have no interest in it, you weren't really a Buffy fan.

I sorta understand taking it that way when you just see one line out of context, but that wasn't remotely what he was saying.

There's a particular kind of warm contentment people get when old fictional friends return. Not the subversion of a postmodern project, where writers pull a kind of emotional detournement -- "you think you're glad to see the Crimson Goatgouger again, but actually he's been fucking dogs since 1973, and Everything You Know Is Wrong!" But the sort of smile I get when the bass rumble of the DOCTOR WHO theme music starts, and I see the Tardis spinning through the time-tunnel howlaround, and the BBC logo appears beneath it. And that smile means that, no matter what (and WHO has been lousy for the last few weeks), you're going to get some pleasure from seeing your old friends again.

I got a little of that from the first SUPERMAN RETURNS trailer, which hits the high points of the mythos in a sequence of painterly, carefully composed shots over an altered John Williams score. My appreciation of the Superman movies stops about halfway through the first one, but those high points have over the years accreted the strange magic of Judeo-Christian myth about them, and as a writer I can admire that.

Anyway: you know the hardcore Buffistas will get a charge from that first Season 8 comic. The first time they see Buffy on the page, with a smart artist who can capture Gellar's odd combination of big vulnerable eyes and set jaw, they'll welcome that old friend. It's a thing with some power to it.

I don't know what's infuriating about any of that.


Allyson - May 25, 2006 8:30:55 am PDT #2994 of 10464
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

It's calling all Buffy fans Buffistas, Strega. Sorry I wasn't clear about that. I was wondering why that immediately bugged me so much. It did, and I can't figure any rational reason for it at all.


Frankenbuddha - May 25, 2006 8:31:05 am PDT #2995 of 10464
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

OK, the context definitely negates what pinged me. I'm not sure when "buffista" became a universal term, but I know Ellis is hardly the first to use it that way.


Polter-Cow - May 25, 2006 8:31:34 am PDT #2996 of 10464
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Aw. Ellis is a big softie.