There's a famous quote I'm missing, isn't there?
A man walks down the street in that hat, people know he's not afraid of anything.
Wash ,'The Message'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
§ ita § - Dec 19, 2005 10:27:19 am PST #2584 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Tom Scola - Dec 19, 2005 10:31:37 am PST #2585 of 10459
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
Eventually Galileo did sign a decree saying that the Earth sat at the center of the universe, while muttering, "Eppur si moeve" ("But it still moves") under his breath.
Connie Neil - Dec 19, 2005 10:32:20 am PST #2586 of 10459
brillig
Galileo was tried for heresy by the Church for daring to suggest that the Earth goes around the sun. He recanted, said, "OK, you're right, the Earth is the center of the universe, my bad." But as he leaves he mutters, "But still it moves."
§ ita § - Dec 19, 2005 10:32:39 am PST #2587 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Aha.
Yes, it'll be a while before anyone here reaches the level of actually heresy (unless it's about The Princess Bride). Of course, that doesn't mean that everyone who disagrees with me isn't wrong and going to the special hell for it. Not at all.
Connie Neil - Dec 19, 2005 10:32:40 am PST #2588 of 10459
brillig
historical cross-post!
Jessica - Dec 19, 2005 10:45:12 am PST #2589 of 10459
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I've always heard that "But it still moves" was an urban legend.
Vortex - Dec 19, 2005 10:45:17 am PST #2590 of 10459
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I still think Giles' betrayal in "Helpless" is worse than any other Scooby betrayal, but nobody ever holds him to task for that. Hmph. His betrayal is conscious, deliberate and without outside magical influence.
but not without a different kind of influence
Ailleann - Dec 19, 2005 10:51:57 am PST #2591 of 10459
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I sort of feel the same when when Xander punches the wall
Thought of mentioning this earlier. My best friend is a "take aggression out on inanimate objects" sort of person, and it's a constant tendency. We never really saw that reaction from Xander before this. (Though one could argue, as I just did with myself, that he may consciously try to quell those tendencies, being from an abusive household.)
§ ita § - Dec 19, 2005 11:11:08 am PST #2592 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
We never really saw that reaction from Xander before this.
True, but I've also seen people do that for the first (and so far only) time under stress. I don't think it's either out of character or unrealistic.
Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 19, 2005 11:43:25 am PST #2593 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I'm inclined to take the Giles betrayal as the worse of the two, given that Xander at least had fear that Buffy would hold back, die, and thereby condemn everyone he knew and loved to hell (even if jealousy/spite may have been his stronger motive in the moment). Giles had worry that he'd fail his traditional appointed task and disappoint his higher-ups.