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Topic!Cindy - Dec 19, 2005 9:44:29 am PST #2567 of 10459
What is even happening?

If Our Town had never existed, would it still bother you?
Yes, I think so. I pulled that out as an example (and she's addressing it from life, where Emily's speech is given after death, about living).
I mean, are you affected by the conscious attempt to capture a feel already captured in fiction, or just the attempt to capture that emotion?
I think I'm put off more by the attempt to capture that emotion. I don't know why, it just felt like manipulation.
If the former, do you know that's what he was trying to do, and if the latter, what's so special about that emotion? Or is it the conscious part?
As far as I know, Joss has never mentioned Our Town, or Emily's speech when discussing The Body.

I mean, I know all about those things intellectually, but I have a very hard time grokking it emotionally, and that's where I live. It is stupid, all of these endings are stupid, and they're part of the human condition, but it doesn't make them suck any less.
This is part of what's odd to me about my own reaction to Anya's little speech, there. I very much rail against death, and if I haven't thought the exact hair-brush/fruit-punch/eggs words, I have otherwise had Anya's reaction to death. It bothered me coming from her. I don't know, I think I watch it and hear this voice telling me "we're going for the big, emotional moment, here."

I sort of feel the same when when Xander punches the wall, and I've known more than one guy who has either put his fist through a wall, or frigged up his hand punching something harder than a human, and have always adored Xander.

t heresy I also want to slap Willow with the damned, "Where's my blue sweater" thing. It went on too long. And yes, I've probably done that, or nearly so, at least in my head, about something as trivial, when faced with the death of a loved one. t /heresy

I never liked the way they wrote Anya as more and more of a Star-Trek alien over the years, given that she seemed pretty familiar with human customs back when she was a demon.

This was a huge beef for me. I just watched The Wish yesterday, and it's striking how comfortable and not-stiff Anya is with the other kids.

Me, too.

DavidS - Dec 19, 2005 9:47:06 am PST #2568 of 10459
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I also want to slap Willow with the damned

That's not heresy around here. People are always wanting to slap Willow.

Connie Neil - Dec 19, 2005 9:47:33 am PST #2569 of 10459
brillig

People are always wanting to slap Willow.

Take a number.

Topic!Cindy - Dec 19, 2005 9:49:37 am PST #2570 of 10459
What is even happening?

That's not heresy around here. People are always wanting to slap Willow.

There's only six of us, and one of us left. We just say it a lot.

§ ita § - Dec 19, 2005 9:50:28 am PST #2571 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

As far as I know, Joss has never mentioned Our Town, or Emily's speech when discussing The Body.

That's not the the question that applies, if it's not about the Our Townness of it all, rather...what's so special about that emotion? Who could have gotten away with it, since she can't?

That's not heresy around here.

Very little that people say is heresy around here turns out to be heresy. Most often it ends up just being an opinion.

DavidS - Dec 19, 2005 9:51:25 am PST #2572 of 10459
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Take a number.

I don't want to slap Willow. I'm one of the last hold outs. I've been true to my W/X axis since I joined up.

I still think Giles' betrayal in "Helpless" is worse than any other Scooby betrayal, but nobody ever holds him to task for that. Hmph. His betrayal is conscious, deliberate and without outside magical influence.

Tom Scola - Dec 19, 2005 9:53:44 am PST #2573 of 10459
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

His betrayal is conscious, deliberate and without outside magical influence.

As opposed to "kick his ass!" ?

Amy - Dec 19, 2005 9:54:41 am PST #2574 of 10459
Because books.

His betrayal is conscious, deliberate and without outside magical influence.

But...but...he was a first-time watcher. He was doing what he was told to do, with the nasty fuckwits at the Council holding his job over his head. And he hated every minute of it!

Sorry. My Giles love forgives almost everything.

ChiKat - Dec 19, 2005 9:57:42 am PST #2575 of 10459
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

But...but...he was a first-time watcher. He was doing what he was told to do, with the nasty fuckwits at the Council holding his job over his head. And he hated every minute of it!

It's hard to go against centuries of tradition. But, he ends up doing what his conscience told him to do all along and he goes against the dictates of the Council.

Ginger - Dec 19, 2005 9:57:57 am PST #2576 of 10459
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

As opposed to "kick his ass!" ?

"Kick his ass" was the worst betrayal. Giles was doing what he thought was his duty. Xander was being petty and cruel.

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