People are always wanting to slap Willow.
Take a number.
But? There's always a but. When this is over, can we have a big 'but' moratorium?
Fred ,'Smile Time'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Connie Neil - Dec 19, 2005 9:47:33 am PST #2569 of 10459
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Topic!Cindy - Dec 19, 2005 9:49:37 am PST #2570 of 10459
What is even happening?
That's not heresy around here. People are always wanting to slap Willow.
There's only six of us, and one of us left. We just say it a lot.
§ ita § - Dec 19, 2005 9:50:28 am PST #2571 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
As far as I know, Joss has never mentioned Our Town, or Emily's speech when discussing The Body.
That's not the the question that applies, if it's not about the Our Townness of it all, rather...what's so special about that emotion? Who could have gotten away with it, since she can't?
That's not heresy around here.
Very little that people say is heresy around here turns out to be heresy. Most often it ends up just being an opinion.
DavidS - Dec 19, 2005 9:51:25 am PST #2572 of 10459
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Take a number.
I don't want to slap Willow. I'm one of the last hold outs. I've been true to my W/X axis since I joined up.
I still think Giles' betrayal in "Helpless" is worse than any other Scooby betrayal, but nobody ever holds him to task for that. Hmph. His betrayal is conscious, deliberate and without outside magical influence.
Tom Scola - Dec 19, 2005 9:53:44 am PST #2573 of 10459
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
His betrayal is conscious, deliberate and without outside magical influence.
As opposed to "kick his ass!" ?
Amy - Dec 19, 2005 9:54:41 am PST #2574 of 10459
Because books.
His betrayal is conscious, deliberate and without outside magical influence.
But...but...he was a first-time watcher. He was doing what he was told to do, with the nasty fuckwits at the Council holding his job over his head. And he hated every minute of it!
Sorry. My Giles love forgives almost everything.
ChiKat - Dec 19, 2005 9:57:42 am PST #2575 of 10459
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
But...but...he was a first-time watcher. He was doing what he was told to do, with the nasty fuckwits at the Council holding his job over his head. And he hated every minute of it!
It's hard to go against centuries of tradition. But, he ends up doing what his conscience told him to do all along and he goes against the dictates of the Council.
Ginger - Dec 19, 2005 9:57:57 am PST #2576 of 10459
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
As opposed to "kick his ass!" ?
"Kick his ass" was the worst betrayal. Giles was doing what he thought was his duty. Xander was being petty and cruel.
Topic!Cindy - Dec 19, 2005 9:59:49 am PST #2577 of 10459
What is even happening?
Giles also realized he was wrong by seeing what it was doing to Buffy, and came clean with Buffy.
And he didn't have to invoke a temple to the penis to get there.
That's not the the question that applies, if it's not about the Our Townness of it all, rather...what's so special about that emotion? Who could have gotten away with it, since she can't?
It's not the emotion I mind. I feel like Joss got cheap to evoke the emotion, and I'm not sure I can explain why. I don't mind being played and tweaked, but when I've been played and tweaked, I either end up thinking, "Damn, I've been played and tweaked. I feel so dirty, cheap and easy. Do it again," or "Damn, I've been played and tweaked. I feel so dirty, cheap and easy. I hate that." This was one of those, "I hate that" times. Understand even as I'm saying all this, that if I were to watch The Body, tonight, it would still be possible for me to feel all weepy during that scene.
Topic!Cindy - Dec 19, 2005 10:01:16 am PST #2578 of 10459
What is even happening?
cereal...
For an example of "Damn, I've been played and tweaked. I feel so dirty, cheap and easy. Do it again," I need to look no further than Buffy's, "Mom, Mom, Mommy?"