Kaylee: Is that him? Mal: That's the buffet table. Kaylee: Well how can we be sure, unless we question it?

'Shindig'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Frankenbuddha - Sep 13, 2005 7:22:10 am PDT #2079 of 10459
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Is there a reason why the Master's bones remain when he dies? This doesn't happen with any other vampires in the Jossverse, right?

The fanwank has always been that he was so old and powerful that he didn't dust completely, but they never said why on the show, plus Kakistos was at least as old and dusted nicely.

First big-time hand wave situation the show gave us, actually. Well, that or why Buffy in "Nightmares" didn't go evil when she became a vampire in Giles nightmare.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 13, 2005 7:31:06 am PDT #2080 of 10459
What is even happening?

I never quite understood the "losing soul forever" addendum anyway, at least in terms of why you'd try to prevent it.

I forget. Did Angel know that was a term of the curse before he lost his soul in S2? I can understand it as a term of the curse if the accursed knows about it, because I would imagine that a soul which was restored in order to make a person feel horrific guilt forever, would somehow make the accursed feel like he deserved to feel this horrific guilt forever, but I can't see it doing any good unless the accursed knew about the get-out-of-soul-free clause.


Frankenbuddha - Sep 13, 2005 7:44:47 am PDT #2081 of 10459
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I forget. Did Angel know that was a term of the curse before he lost his soul in S2? I can understand it as a term of the curse if the accursed knows about it, because I would imagine that a soul which was restored in order to make a person feel horrific guilt forever, would somehow make the accursed feel like he deserved to feel this horrific guilt forever, but I can't see it doing any good unless the accursed knew about the get-out-of-soul-free clause.

The Buffy equivalent of DR. STRANGELOVE'S doomsday device.

But it only is effective...if you tell everybody! Vy didn't you tell anybody?!???!


Vortex - Sep 13, 2005 7:50:31 am PDT #2082 of 10459
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

The fanwank has always been that he was so old and powerful that he didn't dust completely, but they never said why on the show, plus Kakistos was at least as old and dusted nicely.

maybe it was the difference between a piece of library table and a big wooden post?


SailAweigh - Sep 13, 2005 7:57:41 am PDT #2083 of 10459
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Question on Bones. Is that 8PM Eastern? Because then it's 7 Central and I want to check it out, too.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 13, 2005 7:57:57 am PDT #2084 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'd thought about the possibility of the infusion of power from Buffy or the energies he was manipulating at the Hellmouth keeping the Master's bones around, but then realized that in "When She Was Bad" other vampires had a ritual for restoring his remains to unlife. Probably not too effective if you couldn't be sure what you had was a destroyed vampire's remains and not the contents of someone's spilled ashtray.


sj - Sep 13, 2005 7:58:28 am PDT #2085 of 10459
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I figured it was just an inconsistency, but I thought I would ask. Giles makes it sound like bringing back vampires is possible for more than just the Master, but that the bones are required, as in this instance.


Strega - Sep 13, 2005 7:59:44 am PDT #2086 of 10459

I can understand it as a term of the curse if the accursed knows about it, because I would imagine that a soul which was restored in order to make a person feel horrific guilt forever,

This is the only way I can make sense of it, too. My personal fanwank is that the original intention was to tell Angel the details of the curse. But they didn't count on Darla, Spike, & Dru dropping in and killing everyone who knew that there was still one more item on the to-do list. So basically, the gypsy plan would have worked if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 13, 2005 8:00:41 am PDT #2087 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

They really should have had Kakistos decay to a skeleton, complete with breeze out of nowhere to stir the ashes just like in those old Dracula movies.

Probably should have given the same treatment to Dracula himself, too.


Frankenbuddha - Sep 13, 2005 8:05:15 am PDT #2088 of 10459
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Probably should have given the same treatment to Dracula himself, too.

Well, yeah, there's another one. There, they were at least cheeky about breaking there own rules, but it felt like a cheap laugh (sort of like the big honking castle in the same ep) at the expense of four years of prior story.