Hermanos! The devil has built a robot!

Numero Cinco ,'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Narrator - Aug 29, 2005 4:38:59 am PDT #2000 of 10459
The evil is this way?

I assumed that, even though they were employees, there was some profit-sharing plan and the branch had to be successful for them to get a pay off. I dunno. Once they morphed the thing from a law firm to a sort-of-corporation I gave up trying to understand the structure of the place.


§ ita § - Aug 29, 2005 5:42:51 am PDT #2001 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If the SP's are vacating this plane of existance

Were they? I thought at the time they were leaving LA. Not Earth, and not this plane.

But my memory is jumbled.


Sophia Brooks - Aug 29, 2005 6:10:30 am PDT #2002 of 10459
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I adore Lauren Ambrose beyond all reason,but I think ASH may be too old for her. Perhaps.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 29, 2005 6:22:36 am PDT #2003 of 10459
What is even happening?

I just think she needs to take her time, and earn it.

Oh! Per IMDB, LA and ASH have the same birthday: February 20. Of course he was born in '54 and she was born in '78.


Sophia Brooks - Aug 29, 2005 6:31:29 am PDT #2004 of 10459
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

LA is older than I thought. I had her pegged as someone born in the eighties. She is only 5 years younger than me!


Topic!Cindy - Aug 29, 2005 7:33:25 am PDT #2005 of 10459
What is even happening?

She's 11 years younger than I am, but I think I would have found ASH just as attractive when I was 27 as I do at 38. I know I did when I was 32/33, at least.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 29, 2005 10:16:17 am PDT #2006 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Ouch! This is from way back in March, but I just ran across a TV Guide quote about a former Angel star at TwoP:

HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?: Elisabeth Rohm has gotten work again. As an actress. The wooden Law & Order alum has been cast in the Fox pilot Briar & Graves, about a priest and a doctor who team up to explain the unexplainable. Like how Rohm got another acting job.


DavidS - Aug 29, 2005 10:25:50 am PDT #2007 of 10459
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

"Elizabeth Rohm" +wooden turns up 134 hits on Google.

ita, when I did it without the plus sign on "wooden" it gave me 15,000 hits but lots of them just on "wood." I thought I didn't need the plus sign? What's it doing different?


§ ita § - Aug 29, 2005 10:33:28 am PDT #2008 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The + in that case is acting like quotes -- without either, it's not being literal about wooden -- it also searches on grammatical variations of the same stem.

I really wish it didn't default to that, though.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 30, 2005 1:58:31 am PDT #2009 of 10459
What is even happening?

Scott and I are still working our way through the BtVS episodes in order. Last night, we finished watching Choices. We'd fallen asleep during it, the night before. Next, we put on the disc with The Prom (sob) but I don't think I saw past the teaser, before I was out light a light.

Narrator, I thought of you during Choices, when the lackey vamp notes that Faith killed the courier who brought the Box of Gavrok, and she asks, "What are you, the narrator?" You took your board name from that, right?

We might have caught a minor continuity error in Choices. When the courier first arrives at the airport, he's looking for the Mayor. He expected the Mayor to meet him, with the money, personally. The lackey vamp has a briefcase with him, and says he's got the guy's money, right there. Later, when Faith returns to City Hall with the Box of Gavrok, the Mayor asks what happened to the courier, and notes that he was supposed to pay him. He takes out an envelope that appears to hold said payment, as he's saying he was supposed to pay him. Faith takes it, and then replies that she made the courier and offer he couldn't survive. I don't usually note those things. And I am surprised I noted one after all this time.

Season 3 had a nice steady build, all along really, putting forth the idea that Buffy and Angel just aren't going to be able to make a go of it, together. Tonight, it was the Mayor's turn to drive that idea home, but Spike, circumstance, and even Buffy's own desire for a break a few episodes prior, have done so, throughout the season. There are elements of season 2 that I prefer, and Surprise/Innocence and Becoming are always on my favorite episodes list. But all in all, I think season three had the best pacing. Season two's ideas may have been more exciting and certainly had a higher HSQ, since Angel himself was the Big Bad, but I think season 3 is tighter, somehow.

We'll try The Prom again tonight, I'm sure. And I'll have tissues at the ready, because damn, baby, that's a tear jerker. But in a way, Choices is a more special episode for me, or special in a different way. There are a couple of episodes like that in season 3. I'd have to go back and check to see which ones, and I haven't had enough coffee, yet. I think what I like about it (and those episodes like it) is that it isn't one of the big episodes.

I don't know how to convey this idea more clearly than to say that the sort of ordinary episodes have a particular charm. Don't get me wrong. I adore the big reveals, and the teary and painful moments. There's just something comfortable, and uniquely enjoyable about this show, when it manages to reel me in, with an episode I could have otherwise skipped, without missing the big picture. I like these little-picture-moments episodes, in a special way.