I'm so sorry, but if it makes you feel any better, my fun-time-Buffy party night involved watching a robot throw Spike through a window, so if you want to trade... no wait, I wouldn't give up that memory for anything.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Lyra Jane - Aug 14, 2005 7:01:04 am PDT #1852 of 10458
Up with the sun

I thought the post about being "emotionally traumatized by Spuffy" overstated its case quite a bit, but I can see what the writer was getting at, especially in re: the show's "women who like bad boys suffer" thing. However, I think she's misunderstanding the cause of Spife/Buffy people moving to slash. I think it's more about some people needing to support "edgy" relationships than it is about "OH NOES I cannot trust the show ennymore!!!1".

Edit: I'm leaving in the accidental typo, and I shall call him Spife forevermore.


Jessica - Aug 14, 2005 7:10:43 am PDT #1853 of 10458
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

but I can see what the writer was getting at, especially in re: the show's "women who like bad boys suffer" thing.

Well, except that her definition of "bad boy" is "my wonderful dad who rides a motorcycle," and her definition of "good guy" is "alchoholic child abuser who seemed nice at first."


Topic!Cindy - Aug 14, 2005 7:26:12 am PDT #1854 of 10458
What is even happening?

What Jess said. I had a post about that last night, but something went kerfluey with the board, and I lost it, and couldn't bother.

Also, no offense, but *actual* bad guys--that is bad in reality, and not just a little snarky, or given to wearing leather jackets, but actual bad men--they're not the salt of the earth. They're the epiphanies of therapy.

All that whole entry was--was another "Buffy's a bitch because she didn't wuv Spike enough, and Spike didn't really attempt to rape Buffy. The writers made him do it. He never would have done that on his own," load o crap.


Lyra Jane - Aug 14, 2005 7:31:36 am PDT #1855 of 10458
Up with the sun

I didn't see it that way, but I haven't watched Buffy in a while, so I might just be in the wrong headspace for this.


P.M. Marc - Aug 14, 2005 9:41:04 am PDT #1856 of 10458
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

You know, they should have left the bedroom prep scene in in Smashed. Make it damn good and clear what they thought Spike was capable of right then and there. I mean, they wrote it, and the Roxy Music alone would have been worth it.

However, I think she's misunderstanding the cause of Spife/Buffy people moving to slash.

Anna S has wondered if many of the new to fandom Spuffy people didn't realize that for her, and many other writers, the Spike/Buffy stuff was an unexpected detour from their normal slash country and into the wacky world of het.


Volans - Aug 14, 2005 10:40:29 am PDT #1857 of 10458
move out and draw fire

Spike didn't really attempt to rape Buffy. The writers made him do it. He never would have done that on his own

(brain explodes)


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 14, 2005 10:59:21 am PDT #1858 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Raq, just think of it as the same phenomenon where angry housewives approach soap opera stars in supermarkets and hit them for cheating on their favorite characters. No ability to perceive the distinction between real life and fiction.


Narrator - Aug 14, 2005 11:07:49 am PDT #1859 of 10458
The evil is this way?

Fandom is a nutty place, sometimes.


Polter-Cow - Aug 14, 2005 11:18:07 am PDT #1860 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

You know, they should have left the bedroom prep scene in in Smashed. Make it damn good and clear what they thought Spike was capable of right then and there. I mean, they wrote it, and the Roxy Music alone would have been worth it.

I do not know of this scene. What was in it?


Volans - Aug 14, 2005 11:31:33 am PDT #1861 of 10458
move out and draw fire

Raq, just think of it as the same phenomenon where angry housewives approach soap opera stars in supermarkets and hit them for cheating on their favorite characters. No ability to perceive the distinction between real life and fiction.

See, this is even weird to me, because don't you watch soaps to see people cheat?

But, yeah, I get the point. It just makes my brain all hurty.