Funny thing about black and white. You mix it together and you get gray. And it doesn't matter how much white you try and put back in, you're never gonna get anything but gray.

Lilah ,'Destiny'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Vonnie K - Aug 08, 2005 6:06:38 am PDT #1720 of 10458
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Definitely Wesley. Though... doesn't "blind-spots" imply that you are oblivious to the character's faults? Through most of late S3 to S5, I fully realized that Wesley was fucked-up, possibly beyond recall. Which actually made me love him more, but it's not as if I went, "Oh yeah, that bitch Justine totally needed to be chained in the closet with a bucket."


Anne W. - Aug 08, 2005 6:13:00 am PDT #1721 of 10458
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Through most of late S3 to S5, I fully realized that Wesley was fucked-up, possibly beyond recall. Which actually made me love him more

Yeah. It's one of those situations where the character became more appealing as a character while at the same time becoming the person you'd stay well away from in real life. It's sort of the way I love the character of Macbeth but never in a million years would want or expect a happy ending for the guy.

In Buffy S5 (and early S6), I kept rooting for Spike to become a better person, but with Wesley, I found myself cheering on his fall from grace.


brenda m - Aug 08, 2005 6:17:13 am PDT #1722 of 10458
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Though... doesn't "blind-spots" imply that you are oblivious to the character's faults?

I'm taking it as not so much oblivious, but inclined to rationalize or hand-wave.


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2005 6:19:00 am PDT #1723 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think I've blindspotted -- well, maybe Lindsey. But when my efforts to keep enjoying them as I like them most, I just shrug and say "Well, Spike up through season 4." I liked the bad stuff about the characters I like the most.


Sean K - Aug 08, 2005 6:32:05 am PDT #1724 of 10458
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Okay, my own words convict me. I would like to know though, what about Giles needs overlooking

How about the attempted murder of Spike, which, had it occurred, would have prevented the saving of the world.

My anti-blind spot would be the wee woobieman Connor. I'd go into reasons why, but I must away for work.


Jessica - Aug 08, 2005 6:49:10 am PDT #1725 of 10458
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I also have a bit of an Anya blindspot. I know she's responsible for more deaths than probably all of the other characters except Angel combined, but I identify with her too much to care.

(But at least I'm aware of what I'm handwaving with her. With Connor, I have no idea what about him I'm supposed to find less than lovable.)


Sean K - Aug 08, 2005 7:05:45 am PDT #1726 of 10458
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

With Connor, I have no idea what about him I'm supposed to find less than lovable.

Which is almost precisely why he's my anti-blind spot. I have no idea if he did anything worth hating him for, he just bugged me. Whiny kid....


Sean K - Aug 08, 2005 7:06:42 am PDT #1727 of 10458
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

(I did think he was cool as Normal!Well-Adjusted!Connor in Not Fade Away, though.)


Vortex - Aug 08, 2005 7:15:36 am PDT #1728 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

(I did think he was cool as Normal!Well-Adjusted!Connor in Not Fade Away, though.)

yes, normal Connor is okay. I especially loved the "You stop by for coffee and the world's not ending? Please." Although I disliked him intensely until that point.

I never like characters that are easily manipulated. It irritates me.


ChiKat - Aug 08, 2005 7:28:01 am PDT #1729 of 10458
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Which is almost precisely why he's my anti-blind spot. I have no idea if he did anything worth hating him for, he just bugged me. Whiny kid....

Sean speaks for me re:Connor. I don't know why he bugs me like he does, but mercy. I don't like that kid at all.

My blindspot? Probably Giles. Although, on S2 rewatch, I'm miffed at him in his treatment to Jenny. After Buffy finds out that Jenny knew about Angel, B shuns her and G follows. I can understand B, she's a teenager. But G? Jenny didn't know what would happen until it was too late. How would things have changed if she told G&B that she was there to watch Angel? They already knew everything Jenny did. [sorry--side rant!]