Well, it's just good to know that when the chips are down and things look grim you'll feed off the girl who loves you to save your own ass!

Xander ,'Chosen'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Polter-Cow - Jun 24, 2005 7:03:56 pm PDT #1172 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Whoa.

ita's mind works in twisted ways.


Connie Neil - Jun 24, 2005 7:29:07 pm PDT #1173 of 10458
brillig

Tara probably really, really wanted to be convinced, too.

I don't buy it. I see her as too invested in the natural order of things to be swayed just by grief. I don't think Buffy meant all that much more to her than Joyce did, Tara hadn't known Buffy all that long. Willow's grief would have upset her, but I don't think it would have been enough to push her to the idea that resurrection was a good thing. The "we can't do this without her" argument would have been a good opening position, but I think the idea of resurrection would still have come as a shock.


brenda m - Jun 24, 2005 7:38:12 pm PDT #1174 of 10458
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I don't think Tara felt all that close to Buffy. But I don't think at that stage she was really prepared to hold the line against a Willow determined to act, even if she'd tried. Aside from having been recently brain-scrambled, I think she was still pretty emotionally dependent at that point. Maybe dependent is too strong a word, but she didn't have the confidence then that she did later. At that stage, she'd be more easily pulled along by Willow's emotional manipulation conviction.


Connie Neil - Jun 24, 2005 7:54:45 pm PDT #1175 of 10458
brillig

But I don't think at that stage she was really prepared to hold the line against a Willow determined to act, even if she'd tried.

Good point. She hadn't realized yet how far Willow would go, so she didn't know what the risks were.


P.M. Marc - Jun 24, 2005 8:28:21 pm PDT #1176 of 10458
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Were there fics written where the plan was to, instead of resurrect Buffy, kill Faith?

I think so, though usually, it's the WC doing the killing.

Unfortunately, the text itself doesn't support the notion that any of them were aware of the line heading through Faith, as much of a no-brainer as it was and despite the authors of said text mentioning it at least once that I dimly recall.


Strega - Jun 24, 2005 9:48:52 pm PDT #1177 of 10458

Cindy, you might enjoy this.

Assuming I get the link right. If I don't, scroll down to the comments.

I always felt like Willow was designed to be adorable, which is why she makes me grind my teeth in a way that even Wesley doesn't.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 25, 2005 2:05:29 am PDT #1178 of 10458
What is even happening?

I always felt like Willow was designed to be adorable, which is why she makes me grind my teeth in a way that even Wesley doesn't.
Yes! And that lj Willow-essay is priceless. Thanks Strega.

Joss even sort of cops to Willow's adorability by design, or at least how he used it. It's been a dog's age since I've listened to any of the commentary, but I remember him saying something, possibly on the commentary for Surprise/Innocence, about putting Willow in danger, when he needed to evoke strong feelings from the audience.

I have to be clear--I love Willow; I just don't Love Willow. I can't imagine the show without the character. But over the years, the reaction to her, that I've seen from fandom, has always surprised me.


Polter-Cow - Jun 25, 2005 5:13:36 am PDT #1179 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Cindy, you might enjoy this.

Heeeee.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 25, 2005 5:49:26 am PDT #1180 of 10458
What is even happening?

I was so grateful to read that, I didn't even comment on Strega's reference to her delusions opinion of Wesley.


Strega - Jun 25, 2005 9:47:44 am PDT #1181 of 10458

Heh. But that kind of is the difference to me. Wesley, by S2 of Angel, was a great, mostly-consistent character. He's not a kind of person I like, and so I had fun bashing him, but he certainly felt real. Buffy felt real. Willow felt more like a randomly-assigned collection of quirks I was supposed to project an identity onto.

And then Fred was even worse that way.