Am I supposed to be changing my clothes a lot? Is that the helpful thing to do?

Anya ,'Storyteller'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


brenda m - Jun 24, 2005 6:00:57 pm PDT #1167 of 10458
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Oh, my, yes

It's so cool when I'm raring to answer and I can scroll down and find that Connie has once again done my job for me.


Connie Neil - Jun 24, 2005 6:09:13 pm PDT #1168 of 10458
brillig

Happy to serve.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 24, 2005 6:42:38 pm PDT #1169 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Tara was so adamant against bringing Joyce back that it should have taken lots of very convincing arguments to even get Tara to concede that it might even be a good idea to consider it.

I think Buffy's death hit Tara a lot harder than Joyce's did. And note she was fully aware that what they were doing was both wrong and immensely dangerous, and voiced those concerns to the assembled group to make sure everyone was going in with their eyes open. I think she made the grief-based decision to ignore her principles and common sense . There probably were a lot of convincing arguments over that summer, but Tara probably really, really wanted to be convinced, too.


Steph L. - Jun 24, 2005 6:57:27 pm PDT #1170 of 10458
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

There probably were a lot of convincing arguments over that summer, but Tara probably really, really wanted to be convinced, too.

And don't forget -- the post-S5 summer they all continued to patrol without Buffy (though with the Buffybot), so Tara probably had a good idea of what hell (literal) would descend on Sunnydale if the Buffybot ever broke/malfunctioned/etc. She knew that they needed the Slayer back.


§ ita § - Jun 24, 2005 7:00:23 pm PDT #1171 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Were there fics written where the plan was to, instead of resurrect Buffy, kill Faith?


Polter-Cow - Jun 24, 2005 7:03:56 pm PDT #1172 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Whoa.

ita's mind works in twisted ways.


Connie Neil - Jun 24, 2005 7:29:07 pm PDT #1173 of 10458
brillig

Tara probably really, really wanted to be convinced, too.

I don't buy it. I see her as too invested in the natural order of things to be swayed just by grief. I don't think Buffy meant all that much more to her than Joyce did, Tara hadn't known Buffy all that long. Willow's grief would have upset her, but I don't think it would have been enough to push her to the idea that resurrection was a good thing. The "we can't do this without her" argument would have been a good opening position, but I think the idea of resurrection would still have come as a shock.


brenda m - Jun 24, 2005 7:38:12 pm PDT #1174 of 10458
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I don't think Tara felt all that close to Buffy. But I don't think at that stage she was really prepared to hold the line against a Willow determined to act, even if she'd tried. Aside from having been recently brain-scrambled, I think she was still pretty emotionally dependent at that point. Maybe dependent is too strong a word, but she didn't have the confidence then that she did later. At that stage, she'd be more easily pulled along by Willow's emotional manipulation conviction.


Connie Neil - Jun 24, 2005 7:54:45 pm PDT #1175 of 10458
brillig

But I don't think at that stage she was really prepared to hold the line against a Willow determined to act, even if she'd tried.

Good point. She hadn't realized yet how far Willow would go, so she didn't know what the risks were.


P.M. Marc - Jun 24, 2005 8:28:21 pm PDT #1176 of 10458
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Were there fics written where the plan was to, instead of resurrect Buffy, kill Faith?

I think so, though usually, it's the WC doing the killing.

Unfortunately, the text itself doesn't support the notion that any of them were aware of the line heading through Faith, as much of a no-brainer as it was and despite the authors of said text mentioning it at least once that I dimly recall.