Mal: That's not what I saw. You like to tell me what really happened? Book: I surely would. And maybe someday I will.

'Safe'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.

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Jessica - Nov 20, 2025 6:55:28 am PST #10585 of 10594
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Willow spelling out "b-i-t-c-h" and Xander saying, "A bitca?"

It's a classic for a reason!

Cordy's "I'm a bitch" speech in Rm w/a Vu is so satisfying. This is the first ep where we really start to see the show evolving into its best form too (who needs a case of the week when you've got this cast of characters to spend time with??)

And looking ahead, we're going to make it to Pangs just in time for Thanksgiving! Huzzah!


dcp - Nov 20, 2025 7:02:18 am PST #10586 of 10594
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

Oh, excellent


-t - Nov 20, 2025 8:20:51 am PST #10587 of 10594
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Very nice!


Laura - Nov 20, 2025 9:07:12 am PST #10588 of 10594
Our wings are not tired.

My kids had endured Pangs every year and never appreciated it. I am clearly a failure as a parent for sure.


Kate P. - Nov 20, 2025 5:22:31 pm PST #10589 of 10594
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I'm kinda bummed there's no way we'll make it to "Pangs" by next week.

Tonight's double header is Beet Bad and Room w/a Vu. Let's go.

Ha, I just realized I was mixing up "Rm w/ a Vu" and "Where the Wild Things Are." But I would love to watch a remake of "Beer Bad" that is all about evil beets.


Jessica - Nov 20, 2025 7:21:09 pm PST #10590 of 10594
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Beer Bad also gave me the opportunity to explain "foamy." I do love passing on Buffista lore.

I can't remember the context but tonight at dinner A was talking about how great Oz is and specifically stated "Oz would never do anything wrong" and I agreed.

And then we watched Wild at Heart.

(We also watched Sense and Sensitivity, which, "Be a rainbow not a painbow" aside, has not aged well and it wasn't unproblematic in 1999 either.)


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 21, 2025 8:19:47 am PST #10591 of 10594
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I still think of Rm w/a Vu as the archetypical Angel episode, it's so much fun. And maybe the show's best spotlight for Cordy.

"Whoo! Cold wind—scary. What are you gonna do? Chap me to death?"


Jessica - Nov 23, 2025 4:18:06 pm PST #10592 of 10594
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

It's The Initiative - Aeryn noticed JM in the credits and was delighted, saying "it's time for Spike's redemption arc!"

I am saying NOTHING


Jessica - Nov 23, 2025 6:13:20 pm PST #10593 of 10594
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The frat bros' trip down to Initiative Basement was a very satisfying reveal.

This is SUCH a good Willow episode. "A vague disclaimer is nobody's friend" followed by her comforting Spike after he fails to bite her? Top notch Willow, truly A+.

(Also, everything she predicts in her post-Oz funk about how Buffy/Riley is going to end? 100% correct.)


Kate P. - Nov 23, 2025 8:17:27 pm PST #10594 of 10594
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

We watched "School Hard" tonight, and it's so satisfying to feel like the show is really hitting its stride now and setting some of the most crucial plot elements into motion. And of course I just love seeing Spike and Drusilla on my TV screen again.


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