Harrow: You didn't have to wound that man. Mal: Yeah, I know, it was just funny.

'Shindig'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 15, 2021 1:48:09 pm PST #10405 of 10457
What is even happening?

I want to collect Michelle Trachtenberg's statements (and related ones) in one place.

Some time after Charisma Carpenter published her account on Instagram [link] and Twitter [link] Sarah Michelle Gellar made a general Instagram statement of support for abuse survivors, affirmed her pride in Buffy Summers, and disavowed Joss Whedon. [link]

Michelle Trachtenberg, replied to SMG on Instagram. SMG's Instagram post shows no replies, but the reply is accessible from MT's Instagram: [link]

Here is the text of MT's above-linked Instagram post. While not explicit, it implies something more sinister about JW than that he's a misogynist who likes to humiliate his cast and other subordinates, and fired CC in retaliation for her pregnancy -- after she gave birth.

Thank you @sarahmgellar for saying this. I am brave enough now as a 35 year old woman....To repost this. Because. This must. Be known. As a teenager. With his not appropriate behavior....very. Not. Appropriate. So now. People know. What Joss. Did.
The last. Comment I will make on this. Was. There was a rule. Saying. He's not allowed in a room alone with Michelle again.

screenshot of the above: [link]

MT added "So now. People know. What Joss. Did." and "The last. Comment I will make on this..." as the day progressed. At some point prior, MT's above post ended with [sic]: "very. Not. Appropriate." screen shot: [link]

As you'll note in that screenshot, when MT's reply to SMG still ended with, "very. Not. Appropriate." — an Instagram user named "yaronbeery" replied [link]

As I am a huge fan of the show, and yours, and Sarah, and all the gang I am really shocked and saddened to hear that yhis [sic] was going on behind the scenes of my favorite show. I hope that you are o.k. and that you weren't subjected to this abuse.

MT replied [link] :

@yaronbeery I was subjected. To a lot.

Erika Amato, of Velvet Chain (BtVS-affiliated band) replied to MT's main post: [link]

Hi, @michelletrachtenberg - You probably don't remember me. Lead singer of the band Velvet Chain... We were on the show b4 your time, but then played a bunch of BtVS wrap parties and stuff... And I seem to remember having an impromptu food court lunch with you when I ran into you at the Sherman Oaks mall... ANYWAY, my point is that I am SO SORRY to read this. I had a bad feeling when I saw how he was acting with Eliza at one of our shows (while he was still married to Kai, and she was still technically a teenager), so this has the ring of truth, at least to me. Thank you for speaking your truth. [emphasis mine -- Cindy]

NOTE: The Erika Amato Instagram account [link] I've quoted is not verified. She does not link to an Instagram account on her website [link] . That said -- looking at all the content on her main Instagram page, I am satisfied this is Erika Amato's account (e.g. [link] ). In addition, for the Bronzers among us, I'll note that Cosmic Bob [link] replied to another Instagram post of Amato's at some point. Erika was active on the Bronze and Bronze Beta websites and likely knows Cosmic Bob from the PBPs (official Posting Board Parties), at which he sometimes helped wrangle the VIPs.

CC, who uses "karazma" as the handle on her verified Instagram account replied to MT with: [link]

This is very troubling and disturbing to read. I’m so so sorry Michelle. You should have been protected!!! You have given rise to the mama bear in me.
Here to support you in anyway you need. Sending all my love.

[editorial note: CC seems to see the same dark implications many of us see in MT's post.]

MT also replied to her own post. I assume it is directed at SMG or CC, but I cannot tell. [link]

You. Are my rock!! What he did was very bad. But we win. By surviving!


JZ - Feb 15, 2021 5:56:52 pm PST #10406 of 10457
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Thank you for this, Cindy.


meara - Feb 16, 2021 5:42:26 pm PST #10407 of 10457

Glad to hear a few other of the dudes are speaking up now:

[link]


Beverly - Feb 17, 2021 2:05:44 am PST #10408 of 10457
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I wonder why neither Alyson nor Alexis has said anything.

And I know Tudyk and Fillion are, or have been, close personal friends of JW's, so I really don't expect to hear from either of them, one way or the other. Nor Minear, though I'd be interested to hear what he might have to say.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 17, 2021 6:55:22 pm PST #10409 of 10457
What is even happening?

I've heard that Alyson and Alexis are godparents to one of Joss and Kai's children -- more than once over the years. [link] [link] [link]


Beverly - Feb 17, 2021 7:45:14 pm PST #10410 of 10457
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Ah yes, that would be awkward. Understandable.


DavidS - Feb 17, 2021 8:10:05 pm PST #10411 of 10457
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Well, we now know why Nicholas Brendon hasn't chimed in.

He's about to undergo surgery to repair his paralyzed anus and penis (which injury happened after a fall on the ice).

He's a little distracted right now and wants to be in full control of his faculties before he addresses anything.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 18, 2021 2:16:39 pm PST #10412 of 10457
What is even happening?

But...

NOTHING CAN DEFEAT THE PENIS!


Laura - Feb 18, 2021 4:38:51 pm PST #10413 of 10457
Our wings are not tired.

Ha!


DavidS - Feb 18, 2021 5:26:12 pm PST #10414 of 10457
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

NOTHING CAN DEFEAT THE PENIS!

Apparently ice is the nemesis. Which makes sense in many ways.