We're still working on a plan, but so far it involves being sent to prison and becoming somebody's bitch.

Fred ,'Just Rewards (2)'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Jessica - Feb 11, 2021 12:05:33 pm PST #10382 of 10457
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

The Midnight Society on twitter made me choke on my tea

The funniest thing about this thread is the "this tweet includes a word you have muted" gap which I knew IMMEDIATELY was going to be about JKR

(Reader, it was.)


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 11, 2021 1:09:17 pm PST #10383 of 10457
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Thanks juliana. ASH was the one I was white-knuckling to hear a response from—I could take any of the other actors or behind the scenes people being a jackass about the allegations, but not him.


amyparker - Feb 11, 2021 1:14:13 pm PST #10384 of 10457
You've got friends to have good times with. When you need to share the trauma of a badly-written book with someone, that's when you go to family.

Me too, Matt.


sj - Feb 11, 2021 2:20:58 pm PST #10385 of 10457
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

ASH exuded good human vibes when I met him. I would be very upset to find out otherwise.


juliana - Feb 11, 2021 2:21:16 pm PST #10386 of 10457
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Me three.


chrismg - Feb 11, 2021 3:05:47 pm PST #10387 of 10457
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade

The Midnight Society on twitter

Hey, I LIKED The Cabin In the Woods!

(The rest of it was pretty accurate, yeah)


brenda m - Feb 11, 2021 4:27:15 pm PST #10388 of 10457
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Very glad to see ASH speaking up but it's still hard to fathom how he could be so totally unaware. Which is part of how toxic people like JW work, of course.

DB, NF, NB, not holding my breath. There are still some others I'll be hoping for.

ETA: Pretty wishy washy statement from DeKnight - I'm not sure I'd call that support.


Trudy Booth - Feb 11, 2021 5:05:36 pm PST #10389 of 10457
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

When Eliza Dushku opened up about the harassment she endured on Bull I was startled to find out that I saw him do it and had been completely unaware. What I took to be an "OK, quit goofing around, we need to work" expression when he announced that Legs was on the set (sometimes so-and-so going on or off set is announced) was her hiding something much worse.

And its easy to miss that. I have a friend I call "Leggy" when she's in a short skirt. And the guy does indeed goof around a little on set until its time to get to work. (Which as a producer was his prerogative and actually set the tone for a pleasant set.)

Now, obviously, ASH didn't see this for a week, he saw it for years. And one would hope that in the course of years he'd notice that "jokes" weren't jokes. Nevertheless, a show runner is one of the big dogs in the building and gets to set the tone. And if the tone set is... sarcastic? Pushy? Demanding? Hyper-critical? you nod and smile and do your work because you're on a project with legs and you're not going to fuck that up. And if someone asks if you're alright you say you're fine. Or you roll your eyes and say "Oh, you know..."

I'm glad its better now and will get better yet. I'm glad its being addressed... but people still tell stories about Kubrick torturing Shelly Duvall as if that was somehow necessary to his "genius" to "get that performance out of her" blah blah blah. I can believe he grew to accept the unacceptable (along with an entire industry) as the cost of doing business with a "genius." I can believe things happed that he didn't see or look for. I can believe his colleagues convinced him they were fine. To some extent, they all did these things.

People tolerated a LOT. Some of this is going to die really really hard. Time will tell if ASH can be part of this dying. I hope he can.


sj - Feb 11, 2021 6:00:16 pm PST #10390 of 10457
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I also can believe that someone can act one way behind closed doors with someone they feel superior to and act a completely different way in a more public setting. Michelle Trachtenberg has updated her statement to say that there was a rule on that Joss was never allowed in a room alone with her again, which is very chilling to read.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 11, 2021 6:23:01 pm PST #10391 of 10457
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

DB, NF, NB, not holding my breath.

Yeah, DB went from having a rep as one of Hollywood's nicest stars to the "little people" behind the scenes to cheating scandals and accounts of him treating crews terribly. NF has now been the lead of more than one series that had a culture of sketchy treatment of the actresses, including apparently getting one of them canceled in his attempt to have his co-lead fired. And I'm just crossing my fingers Nick isn't beating some woman up in a hotel room at the moment. These are not the people who are going to have credibility speaking out against bad behavior.