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Willow ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Boxed Set, Vol. II: "It's a Cookbook...A Cookbook!!"  

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sumi - Jun 16, 2006 11:29:46 am PDT #9054 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

I don't know -- PotW is cool but I kind of love "Primeval" because it's the partnership of Buffy AND the Scoobies that allows her to access that power.

Of course, Season 1 of new Who is SO MUCH better than season 4 of Buffy (overall).


tavella - Jun 16, 2006 11:41:26 am PDT #9055 of 10001
There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.

RTD's Season 2 was loose and sloppy and all over the place. I have fingers crossed for S3.

S2 isn't done yet, is it? It seems a little early to assume the threads won't get brought together in the final arc.


Strega - Jun 16, 2006 11:50:55 am PDT #9056 of 10001

Hm. I had the impression that while Davies was credited for many good things about the show, his actual scripts were the weakest by far.

Although the complaints I've seen about Davies are very similar to my complaints about Whedon, so maybe it's a good comparison after all.


Betsy HP - Jun 16, 2006 11:52:19 am PDT #9057 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

It isn't so much a matter of threads as it is of inconsistent characterization. One episode ends with two characters on serious outs, and in the next they are completely chummy. A character will be stupid and clingy one episode, independent and resourceful the next.

As I said, they needed somebody saying "Willow wouldn't DO that" and "But Cordelia dissed Angel two episodes ago; why's he going to her now?"

[Actually, I said that somewhere else, not here. Whoops.]


DebetEsse - Jun 16, 2006 12:03:59 pm PDT #9058 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I will give CE major props, if for nothing else, then for being utterly broken by Rose's death in a way that I didn't even get from the Buffy cast in The Gift.

And there were more (and so stellar) Moments (in the way of Buffy) than, I think, even in the Becoming 2-parter, between the funny of the reality shows and the Annedroid zapping the Daleks, and then Rose dying, the prison break-out, Jack figuring it out, OMGWTF Dalek, The Doctor's speech to the Daleks, the forcefield, Jack's speech to the humans, The Doctor sending Rose back, the big sweeping Bad Wolf shot and her scene with Mickey, Jack dying, Rose Ex Machina, the kiss (oh! All 3 of them, actually.), and OMGWTFRegeneration. And never has there been more speechifying.

Not to mention the bigness of the Dalek religion, in the "concept" slot.


sumi - Jun 16, 2006 6:14:07 pm PDT #9059 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

I think I'm allowing my bitterness at any British show that compares itself to Buffy to poison my enjoyment of Who.

I think to clean out my palette I should start a personal BVTS marathon.


DCJensen - Jun 16, 2006 7:17:14 pm PDT #9060 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

I think Russell T. Davies has expressed an admiration for BtVS, and aspires to Buffy storytelling.

It's others that compare.


Betsy HP - Jun 16, 2006 7:30:52 pm PDT #9061 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Yup. RTD is a Joss fanboy.


Melpomene - Jun 17, 2006 5:47:27 pm PDT #9062 of 10001
Ever fired your gun in the air and yelled, 'Aaaaaaah?'

Holy Shit Picard + techno + Sims = Greatest thing ever.


WindSparrow - Jun 17, 2006 8:55:33 pm PDT #9063 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Picard + techno + Sims = Greatest thing ever.
Yeah, but watching the dancing Worf has made me gay.