Betsy, we can only dream. But I'm having bad flashbacks to Xena and Gabrielle and the Hope arc.

Okay, yes, but the part where she made Kara promise not to flinch?

I don't think I understand. She's speaking generally. This is what she says at the end:

Let me tell you something. I've had to watch a lot of kids be put into body bags. They're covered with flags and they float out that airlock. You think I don't understand his feelings towards his men? Sometimes terrible things have to be done. Inevitably, each and every o­ne of us will have to face a moment where we have to commit that horrible sin. And if we flinch in that moment, if we hesitate for o­ne second, if we let our conscience get in the way, you know what happens? There are more kids in those body bags. More kids floating out that airlock. I don't know why... but I have a lot of faith in you. And I want you to promise me that when that moment comes you won't flinch. Do not flinch.

The fact that there is subtext doesn't mean every sentence has a specific hidden meaning. I think when she says "Don't flinch when that happens," she means, "Don't flinch when that happens."

See, I thought she gave an order in part 1, and then said "How nice you didn't have to do that thing you wanted to do," and backed right off it in part 2.

True. Very true. Um... can we blame the drugs?

Strega, but I really did read that as "Sometimes you have to do terrible things, and I want you to promise me that you'll DO them." So "Don't flinch" means "don't flinch", and can also mean "If you have to kill me, don't miss.

Inevitably, each and every o­ne of us will have to face a moment where we have to commit that horrible sin. And if we flinch in that moment, if we hesitate for o­ne second, if we let our conscience get in the way, you know what happens? There are more kids in those body bags.

Let me state for the record, because I am autistic in this way, that the quoted portion here is a logical fallacy known as the "false dichotomy." Either you commit an atrocity or you let people die -- why is this a universal either-or statement, when there might be many other potential outcomes? The answer: crappy/underhanded rhetoric.

(Crappy in the sense that some people can't think their way out of perceived dichotomies; underhanded in the sense that "Why do you hate America?" is considered a legitimate form of argumentation nowadays. I don't have a strong opinion as to whether Cain was crappy, or underhanded, or both, or something else -- because I'm not sure what the writers intended.)

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I think when she says "Don't flinch when that happens," she means, "Don't flinch when that happens."

Does she have some particular horrible thing that she expects Kara to have to do in mind, though? I mean, it's kind of a nonsensical piece of advice to give two days after meeting someone unless you're trying to rev them up for something, and it's not like Kara has a problem with blowing up Cylons, so it would have to be something else.

I guess it just didn't work for me as something the character would say at that point if not for the writers wanting there to be Ironic Subtext. YISMV.

Either you commit an atrocity or you let people die -- why is this a universal either-or statement, when there might be many other potential outcomes? The answer: crappy/underhanded rhetoric.

Not if one assumes she's not talking about every decision (if I part my hair on the right, hundreds will die) but about the moments in which you have to perform atrocities to save lives, in which there are no other choices for survival.

Which contrasts with Adama's decision to be worthy of survival, rather than survive at any cost in those same moments.

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I guess it just didn't work for me as something the character would say at that point if not for the writers wanting there to be Ironic Subtext.

It worked for me as Cain grooming Kara. Every lesson doesn't have to be about the next ten minutes.

Can't you all see it? The woman is screaming "I need to be killed! Kill me now, before we are consumed entirely by the slashy subtext!"

t pouts

now I have to rewatch to see if I think Cain wants to die