Yeah, what ita said. Cain didn't strike me as anywhere near despairing enough to kill herself. For instance, she was at that point still planning to take out the Galactica command structure--and, presumably, run the whole show herself.
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Consuela - Jan 16, 2006 7:53:03 am PST #6544 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Katie M - Jan 16, 2006 8:10:10 am PST #6545 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
That's why that scene with Kara didn't really work for me--I didn't believe Cain wanted Kara to kill her, but Cain's topic of conversation didn't make any sense outside of its ironic meaning RE Kara's assassination mission.
I will say, Cain did not fight very hard for her life at the end there, though. Just stood and waited for execution.
Strega - Jan 16, 2006 8:27:32 am PST #6546 of 10001
Cain's topic of conversation didn't make any sense outside of its ironic meaning RE Kara's assassination mission.
Cain starts out by confirming that Starbuck is tight with Adama, and then makes that little speech about how sometimes you have to do terrible things for the greater good. She's pre-justifying her reasons for having Adama killed. It's just that it cuts both ways, because Dramatic Irony Is Fun!
tommyrot - Jan 16, 2006 8:32:17 am PST #6547 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Cain could also be justifying her murderous, capital-punishment ways - i.e. her actions in the past.
Betsy HP - Jan 16, 2006 8:34:23 am PST #6548 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
I will say, Cain did not fight very hard for her life at the end there, though. Just stood and waited for execution.
That's what started me thinking. That and "Promise me, don't flinch."
I think Cain had some sort of elaborate tricky plot in which she and Adama both died and her acolyte took over both fleets.
§ ita § - Jan 16, 2006 8:34:47 am PST #6549 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Her acolyte Kara?
Betsy HP - Jan 16, 2006 8:36:08 am PST #6550 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
No, her acolyte, the guy she sent over to take out Adama and Adama's entire staff.
tommyrot - Jan 16, 2006 8:36:28 am PST #6551 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Oh, and I don't think Cain could have done anything to try to save herself from Gina (is that her name?) and I think she knew that. She knew she was trapped in a room, with a Cylon holding a gun on her. A Cylon who had previously killed a dozen (IIRC) of her men, and who (because of the torture) had even more powerful reasons to kill her. A Cylon who could have probably killed her in a few seconds even without the gun.
Katie M - Jan 16, 2006 9:04:49 am PST #6552 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
She's pre-justifying her reasons for having Adama killed. It's just that it cuts both ways, because Dramatic Irony Is Fun!
Okay, yes, but the part where she made Kara promise not to flinch? Cain wasn't just making pronouncements about how things should be there, or setting groundwork for Kara accepting that Cain had to make the hard choice to kill Daddy Adama, she was extracting a promise from Kara for no particular reason that I could see other than Dramatic Irony Is Fun.
ETA:
Oh, and I don't think Cain could have done anything
She could've tried, though. We're talking about a woman who was still trying to win the war with the Cylons on a grand scale; she couldn't grab for the gun? Try to convince Gina she was more useful alive than dead? Try to run away? Something, anyway. "Go down fighting" was such a big part of her character up to that point that it felt really telling to me that she didn't, at the end.
Consuela - Jan 16, 2006 9:13:44 am PST #6553 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
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