The other thing I think it important to remember is that, even beyond military culture in the way we have it here, The Colonial Fleet is not taught to follow orders, they are told to believe in them (yes, sir vs. so say we all), which, IMO, takes the believability of the Peg people getting to the point they are shown to be.

(I was willing to see the whole "Lee gets transferred" thing as subtle hostage-taking, until nearly the very end, when it became clear that this admiral isn't smart enough to be that subtle.)

I think she is. I think there's a reason Lee's in a ship with the Pegasus CAG, and it involves brains on the upholstery or the threat thereof. Kara has conveniently removed herself from the situation.

I think Betsy's right. Isn't it odd to have a CAG in a raptor rather than a viper? I mean, I thought that the vipers led the attack and that the raptors were more workhorses. . . so an ulterior motive seems to be in play.

2 eps of BSG in one night

first Flight of the phonix.

Neither Dh or myself found the shooting of the cyclons with joy and abadon as a comfort - This launched my whole speech about what is the difference between cylons and humans and the consequences... B the difference is the ablity of humans to create - spacifically new and unique life.

of course we create other things ( cool ship) - and our ablility to create gives us hope . ( Not our ablity to destroy)

And then - there is the idea that everything we create has a little bit of us in it. In some cases, this is more metaphorical, in the sense of createing a life - it is more literal.

Cylons - came from some sort of AI . and they have more of us in them than the BSG people are admitting. In fact, there seems to be only the one difference . and therefore the end of the show - when they were playing space invaders with the cylons was painful.

Pegasus:

I just watched . that was way to hard. I am thinking some of the crew of the pegasus was trying to warn the Galactiaca crew.

I see the Caine mutiny - but I also wonder about the other Cain. - not so much in an anvil metaphor, but it seems that she is willing to kill a brother-in-arms, instead of being a comrad. Adama Knows when to be a brother, and when to be a leader. He even gets good work out of Tigh. She'll kill a brother if that is what she needs to do - by the book she follows.

I have to say I didn't noticed how oneside the show was - I am wondering now if something else will be revealed in January.

Cylons - came from some sort of AI . and they have more of us in them than the BSG people are admitting. In fact, there seems to be only the one difference . and therefore the end of the show - when they were playing space invaders with the cylons was painful.

We still don't know how "human" and intelligent the "machine" Cylons (the raiders and centurians) are. I wonder if the producers haven't decided this yet. So far they haven't been portrayed as being anything more than robots (in the common, scifi sense of being machines, as opposed the "intelligent robots" of sci-fi that correspondingly deserve the same rights as any intelligent lifeform would deserve).

Of course, thinking about this quickly gets complicated. If the "human" Cylons "evolved" from, say, the earlier Centurians, then the early Centurians almost certainly were more than mere "mechanical" robots . OTOH, the early Centurians may have been the product of some other Cylon intelligence that later went on to produce both the improved Centurians and the "human" Cylons.

I know I'm not explaining this well, but it's 2:22 AM and I should really be asleep.

I think there's a reason Lee's in a ship with the Pegasus CAG, and it involves brains on the upholstery or the threat thereof.

I guess this question goes back to whether the larger ship had any intention of "joining" the existing group, or was just stripping the Galactica for spare parts. If the former, then it makes sense to control key players. (Live hostages.)

But if the latter, then the intent is either to recruit or kill. Recruiting, that might take a while, but I can think of 20 sinister ways to kill a guy and make it look like a stupid accident, without dragging him along on a mission.

What if he does something heroic in public? Better to make him die via stupidity than intrepidity.

Hello, yes, my name is Borgia.

Oh, one more thing I learned from the commentary - the Six-model Cylon that's on Pegasus is named Gina. It's a reference to certain hard-core fans of TOS, who refer to the new series as GINO - Galactica In Name Only.

But if the latter, then the intent is either to recruit or kill.

Nope. The intent is to tell Daddy "My name is Adama, same as the Captain's" that he does *exactly* what the nice Admiral says or his son is shot for any of a number of good military reasons.

I couldn't believe Lee played that card. He should have damned well known better, given that he's spent his life trying to get out from his father's shadow.

Yeah, it seemed weird that he said that to me, too

Lee likes pulling rank, and doesn't always think before he speaks. He's prettier than he is smart.