Nutty, you're going full-on Dworkin on me here.

Now, now. If I were being Dworkinesque, surely I would not have admitted it was an evil plan. Also, I would have used longer words.

The same is true with children who were conceived because someone lied about contraception, or suffered contraceptive failure, or who opted for a sterility procedure which did not work. Not wanting, not planning for, and not intending conception, does not relieve parents of their responsibility for their living child.

And we're back to the kleenex-in-the-trash scenario. Not wanting kids may not relieve someone of parental responsibility, but how about not engaging in activity that causes pregnancy? I think I would be pretty annoyed if someone waved their hands at me and I got pregnant.

This may be why I am not a Christian.

The two parents are responsible for the child, because it is their child. The same is true with children who were conceived because someone lied about contraception, or suffered contraceptive failure, or who opted for a sterility procedure which did not work. Not wanting, not planning for, and not intending conception, does not relieve parents of their responsibility for their living child.

So, in your view, sperm bank donors are responsible for their progeny as well?

A man intentionally discharging semen in a consensual act and leaving it in the woman's possession in one way or another is no different from shedding skin that is later bioengineered to extract its DNA?

If the consensual act in question is not one that could, under any natural circumstances, result in conception, then yes, there's no difference. What if it had been a hand job and she'd extracted the sperm from the carpet fibers? Still his responsibility?

This may be why I am not a Christian.

Neither was Mary. I don't think that is much protection.

It just seems highly weird to me that she'd go through this cloak-and-dagger stuff to conceive by the guy, and then angrily hit him with a child support lawsuit when she herself is a doctor and presumably not hurting for cash.

Asking for child support forces the father to admit that he is the father and also provides an 18 year relationship with the man. It's not necessarily about the money. She could have impregnated herself to make sure that the guy would always be around (in some fashion).

Hm. Not to blaspheme wildly or anything, but what if Mary had said no to that angel who wanted to get all "we know eachother" with her?

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I have no idea what it means, really, but I feel all distinguished.

Or, wait, maybe that's undercaffeinated.

Not to blaspheme wildly or anything, but what if Mary had said no to that angel who wanted to get all "we know eachother" with her?

Well, we don't know for sure that Mary was the first one asked.

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I'm so not a wildcard. Pfft.

Now I'm imagining a rebellious late teenage girl shaking her fist and saying "If you knock me up, I'm naming the kid Beast and getting three sixes tatooed on him for his first birthday!"