Jayne: Yeah, that was some pretty risky sittin' you did there. Wash: That's right, of course, 'cause they wouldn't arrest me if we got boarded, I'm just the pilot. I can always say I was flying the ship by accident.

'Serenity'


Natter 33 1/3  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


brenda m - Feb 25, 2005 7:17:32 am PST #1195 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I'm thinking of a feature that runs in the The Boston Sunday Globe, called "Sunday's Child" which reports on children who are in need of foster or adoptive homes. In cases where a child is legally free for adoption, is he already in the foster system, and if so, is that because of other factors?

I think in those cases parental rights have generally been terminated by the state for one reason or another - possibly only the mother's in cases where the father is "unknown." Maybe there are other things going on, though?


Topic!Cindy - Feb 25, 2005 7:19:39 am PST #1196 of 10002
What is even happening?

It looks like the law is less interested in the rights of the bio dad, than the welfare of the child. Since the child already exists, the state then goes and finds the nearest deep pockets. It's definitely unfair, but the clear priority is that somebody's got to be responsible for the child, and the state has decided that the kid will be better off with two providing parents. Better also than having the state pay for the kid.

This is the guts of what I meant. If he is telling the truth, Irons did awful things to Phillips, but why should the child give up the child's right to support, because of it?

eta...

Thanks, brenda.


Narrator - Feb 25, 2005 7:24:48 am PST #1197 of 10002
The evil is this way?

Lawyeristas, (I called you lawgeekers before--I'm sorry, that's a Bronzerism), generally speaking, what happens when conception is the result of a man raping a woman? If the woman chooses to give the child in adoption, can the biological father/rapist contest? Typically, does the court ignore him?

I like the "lawgeeker" title. But "lawyerista" is purty, too.

The issue is what terminates a parent's rights -- it varies by state. For example, a parent can give a child up for adoption. If the state approves, then the parent's parental rights -- and responsibilities -- are ended. The state can also take those rights away. This is generally by a court determining that it is in the best interests of the child to end those rights. It is a high standard. For example, even a father who murders the child's mother does not automatically forfeit his parental rights to see the child, make schooling decisions, etc. By that standard, a father who raped the mother will not automatically lose his rights. But, the crime makes it more likely that the father will lose his rights than if he was convicted of money laundering or robbery. To be the child of rape still carries a stigma for many. Also, there is a perception that a rapist father may attack or harm the child at some point.

So, to answer your question, the father could contest. But, if the child is adoptable, I think many courts will terminate the father's rights in order to serve the child's interests.


DavidS - Feb 25, 2005 7:32:16 am PST #1198 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

C'mon, Gus.

Ya gotta prefer Old School Garofalo to her current look.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 25, 2005 7:34:47 am PST #1199 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

She's turned into John Denver! Undo it! Undo it!


Lee - Feb 25, 2005 7:35:26 am PST #1200 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Gronk.

Just had my first PT appointment. As expected, I have no real abdominal muscles, and I need to work on developing some.


DavidS - Feb 25, 2005 7:37:48 am PST #1201 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

As expected, I have no real abdominal muscles

So what's keeping your intestines from flopping down to your ankles? Surface tension?


Susan W. - Feb 25, 2005 7:37:49 am PST #1202 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Someone remind me how you do that thing on Excel where you can make the top row or the lefthand column stay visible even when you're further down/over because it has all of your headers in it.


Vortex - Feb 25, 2005 7:38:33 am PST #1203 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

The biological father is responsible for the child, even if there is deception on the part of the mother (i.e. she tells him that she can't get pregnant or she's on the pil and isnt, etc.) This is shady as hell, but he's still responsible. However, he may have a case for IIED if he can prove it, which will be very difficult.


Fred Pete - Feb 25, 2005 7:38:44 am PST #1204 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

even a father who murders the child's mother does not automatically forfeit his parental rights to see the child

True dat. I saw a case like that in my church when I was a kid. Father sought and got visitation rights -- child had to visit him in prison every so often.

To complicate things, the mother's parents had physical custody. And to say the least (and for obvious reasons), they did not have good feelings toward the father. And as I understood things, they did not hide their feelings from the child.