Whoa! I... I think I'm having a thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a thought. Now I'm having a plan. Now I'm having a wiggins.

Xander ,'First Date'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Atropa - Aug 13, 2007 1:46:17 pm PDT #9274 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Ah-ha! Thank you, Deena! And thank you, DebetEsse, for prompting me to go look at my bio page for part of this.


erikaj - Aug 15, 2007 9:39:55 am PDT #9275 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Mystery writers and fans: For my next mystery, I want it to be one where it's not a whodunit...where we know who the killer is. But I don't want my detectives to look stupid...I need some advice about clues.


lisah - Aug 15, 2007 9:43:37 am PDT #9276 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

Mystery writers and fans: For my next mystery, I want it to be one where it's not a whodunit...

erika, have you read Laura Lippman's latest? It still sort of a whodunit but not really.


Toddson - Aug 15, 2007 9:45:48 am PDT #9277 of 10001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

erika, you could write it so that we find out things as the detectives do. Or, if they already know who did it, how they pull together evidence to try and convict the person. Or tell it from the murderer's viewpoint, put them in the position of being able to watch the detectives detect, and see how they do it.


Ginger - Aug 15, 2007 9:48:37 am PDT #9278 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I think the main thing is to give a fair number of other people good motives and at least possible opportunity. You can go too far with that, of course; there was a P.D. James novel that after I found out why many people would want to kill this person, I wanted her dead too.


erikaj - Aug 15, 2007 9:52:59 am PDT #9279 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Oh, I'm already planning to put the killer in, part of the time. Thanks for all the thoughts.


-t - Aug 15, 2007 11:49:45 am PDT #9280 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I wish I had some advice for you, erika, but my complete incomprehension of how you pull off that clue thing is why I don't even think about writing mysteries. Love reading them, can't imagine writing one. Balancing how much you reveal with how much you keep hidden so that the answer doesn't come out of left field but isn't staring the reader in the face for too long, either, it's like a magic trick.


erikaj - Aug 15, 2007 1:19:57 pm PDT #9281 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah, I'm saying. David Simon says the crime story is *the* form for the 21st century. But no, if David Simon jumped off a bridge, I wouldn't go with him. His account of the way down would be so much better than mine.


DebetEsse - Aug 15, 2007 1:33:22 pm PDT #9282 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

snerk.

I'm sure it's been done, but it seems like there's huge potential in having a killer watch the investigation unfold, with the increasing nervousness and paranoia.


Susan W. - Aug 15, 2007 6:48:03 pm PDT #9283 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Help!

Two characters in my WIP are fighting. J has just tackled F, and they are rolling around on the ground. F draws a knife and slashes at J, scoring a minor cut or two, but then J disarms him, pins him down, and chokes him to death with his bare hands. Which sounded well and good, in a bloodthirsty way, until I tried to write it:

1. How does J disarm F? He's the younger and stronger of the two, so I think if he gets a good grip on F's knife hand, he can prevent him from doing any more damage, but how does he make him drop the knife? Should I have that happen before J knocks F down? I'd like the knife to be thrown/kicked somewhere where neither of them can reach it, because it's really important that J kills F with his bare hands--he's a soldier, so he's used to killing with musket and bayonet, and I want him shaken and shocked at himself in a way he wouldn't be if he'd used a bullet or a blade.

2. What is J going to see as F goes through his death throes? Will F turn red? Blue? How long will it take him to go limp and then to die?

Thanks!

Signed,
Discovering that Fight Scenes are Much Tougher Than Sex Scenes, Probably Because I've Had Sex but Have Never Killed a Man With My Bare Hands