Hey, I've been in a firefight before! Well, I was in a fire. Actually, I was fired from a fry-cook opportunity. I can handle myself.

Wash ,'War Stories'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Typo Boy - May 27, 2006 8:33:29 am PDT #6793 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

3- Dialogue: I'm leaning towards minimum use of "He said "Blah"/she argued "Yaddah." Going more for back and forth, except when need to use "speaking" verbs to indicate who's talking, and mood. Thoughts?

Deborah helped me with this last one when I was having problems in a drabble. You can indicate the speaker in other ways: Body language, tone of voice, etc.

Mike's clenched fists relaxed, palms opened. He look earnestly into her eyes. "I'd never lie to you".

(Wanna bet Mike is lying through his teeth?)

(Actually this feels like a good spot for a rare "he said" - but you get the idea.)


Strix - May 27, 2006 8:36:02 am PDT #6794 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Profile addy, right?

Cool. I read like a mofo, so I'll scour my shelves today and look at sites later.

Not used to thinking of word range -- must adjust thinking. Less tham 9200 words now, so won't even think about words like "agented" till I'm down 40K, I think.

And I know para is hot now, but it's what I'd write anyhoo, so woo. And I think I'm actually pretty decent, so writing this thang is my job this summer. And I'm tired of hypocritically reading something and thinking "I can write better pararomance than this!" and not doing is. So, money where my big fat mouth is.

Thanks, doll.


deborah grabien - May 27, 2006 8:37:18 am PDT #6795 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

TB, I don't think Amazon allows reader reviews up before release; they only take them from publications. Memo to self, ask Marlene to keep an eye on pub reviews.

1 -- Potential saleable novel formatting: Double-spaced? page Numbers?

What AmyLiz said. You leave it numberless and not doubled, it won't even get looked at.

2 -- AmyLiz, et. al. -- Any idea of average/desirable page length for contemporary setting paranormal romance with a lot sex and the use of the word "fuck" in it? Ideas for publishers whose sites I could look at for ideas on this? Potential publishers? Jumping the gun, I know, but I'm a Virgo, and I like ahead-of-time info.

What AmyLiz said.

3- Dialogue: I'm leaning towards minimum use of "He said "Blah"/she argued "Yaddah." Going more for back and forth, except when need to use "speaking" verbs to indicate who's talking, and mood. Thoughts?

My own take - and habit, and tastes - run to "tell them to shut the fuck up and do something". If there's going to be a lot of dialogue, please to do something to break up the gab and bring them to life by having them move their arms and legs and bodies. Bit of a soap-box issue for me, but honestly, I've found too many books these days are pure talky-meat. Very few people in the real world do nothing but talk; people live. It's writing them living that makes a book interesting to me.

But for breaking up dialogue, I go for tagging with action, not direction. So I'd go for

"You want to do what?" Her eyebrows were all the way up. "Are you kidding me?"

rather than

"You want to do what?" She (said, exclaimed, gasped, insert other overused verb here). "Are you kidding me?"

I like dialogue that illuminates a character or scene, rather than illuminating the writer. Your tastes may vary.


Amy - May 27, 2006 8:38:51 am PDT #6796 of 10001
Because books.

Profile address, yeah.

Easiest way to calculate -- 250 per page, no matter what your computer count is (this is based on how publishers calculate expected printed length, with white space and margins and blah blah). So a 100,000 word manuscript is 400 pages. You can subtract from there.


Amy - May 27, 2006 8:40:16 am PDT #6797 of 10001
Because books.

But for breaking up dialogue, I go for tagging with action, not direction. So I'd go for

"You want to do what?" Her eyebrows were all the way up. "Are you kidding me?"

This, as TypoBoy also pointed out, is a Very Good Thing. You want to *see* the people in the scene, too.


SailAweigh - May 27, 2006 8:45:18 am PDT #6798 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Erin, backflung.

My own take - and habit, and tastes - run to "tell them to shut the fuck up and do something". If there's going to be a lot of dialogue, please to do something to break up the gab and bring them to life by having them move their arms and legs and bodies. Bit of a soap-box issue for me, but honestly, I've found too many books these days are pure talky-meat. Very few people in the real world do nothing but talk; people live. It's writing them living that makes a book interesting to me.

I don't think Erin's going to have a problem there at all. I found what I'd read so far to be a good mix of action and dialogue, with lots of description. All three chapters were a breeze to read and kept my attention throughout. In fact, I am Oliver Twist: more, please.


deborah grabien - May 27, 2006 8:47:53 am PDT #6799 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I don't think Erin's going to have a problem there at all. I found what I'd read so far to be a good mix of action and dialogue, with lots of description.

I didn't say I thought Erin was going to have a problem with it. I don't think so either. I was answering a specific question about a general issue.


Ginger - May 27, 2006 8:50:13 am PDT #6800 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

There is a story that Ernest Hemingway was once addressing a group of students. One student pointed out that, in the short story "A Clean Well-lighted Place," there's a long sequence of alternating dialogue between the Old Waiter and the Young Waiter, without any attribution. There's a point where it's really hard to tell who is talking, and it makes a difference in the story. Hemingway read through the exchange and replied, "It's perfectly clear to me."

The moral of the story: Don't be Hemingway.


Amy - May 27, 2006 8:50:59 am PDT #6801 of 10001
Because books.

Snerk.


deborah grabien - May 27, 2006 8:51:04 am PDT #6802 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

The moral of the story: Don't be Hemingway.

hits the floor laughing