Early: You folks are all insane. Simon: Well, my sister's a ship. We had a complicated childhood.

'Objects In Space'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


erikaj - Apr 04, 2006 11:35:21 am PDT #5911 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Oh, yeah, wrod.


deborah grabien - Apr 04, 2006 12:45:20 pm PDT #5912 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Allyson, you have feedback and some deep edits.


Allyson - Apr 04, 2006 12:46:59 pm PDT #5913 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I justfinished reading this second. I think it's worth trashing at this point, I can't write it, and I don't think it's important enough to struggle with like this.


deborah grabien - Apr 04, 2006 1:09:40 pm PDT #5914 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

OK - take a deep breath, step back from it. Smoke a cig or drink a coffee or whatever works, and then ask yourself, nice and simple: what am I trying to bring to life?

Ignore the piece as written, Just breathe in, breathe out, look at the theme - the BNF deal - and ask yourself the question.

What is this piece supposed to illuminate?

Once you have that, you've got the light in the tunnel. And for heavens sake, if you need to scream, ring me up. I listen real good sometimes.


Beverly - Apr 04, 2006 1:14:01 pm PDT #5915 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

She really does, Allyson. I'll send my cell number if you want it, too. But Deb's your woman right now, I think.


deborah grabien - Apr 04, 2006 1:25:10 pm PDT #5916 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Yep. Check your email - and by the way, the essay? Isn't wooden. It's muddy in a few places, but only because you're overlapping on the connective tissue between the different things you're trying to do with it.

So of course it's fighting back, but honestly, you're trying to reel in a small trout, not a marlin. The areas that want fixing? They simply aren't that big, or that deep, or that hard.

It's all in the connective stuff. You may even want to split it out into two separate essays: one on the BNF deal and your experience at being one in a world the often perceives them as fakes, and then lead into the whichever strikes you as being where your light source is: sense of self coming out of your particular flavour of involvement in fandom would be my first guess, but I'm not you, and I could be totally wrong.

But I'm not wrong on the not-wood of the actual piece.


Scrappy - Apr 04, 2006 1:59:22 pm PDT #5917 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Allyson-- I wil get my comments to you (which may be entirely superfluous after Deb's) when I get home and have time to really read.


Allyson - Apr 04, 2006 2:15:51 pm PDT #5918 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

What is this piece supposed to illuminate?

I don't know. I never think of things that way.


deborah grabien - Apr 04, 2006 3:47:05 pm PDT #5919 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I don't know. I never think of things that way.

OK - then let's parse it in a way that works for how you write. Because you write damned well indeed, and the way you do it is obviously producing good results.

Try it this way, maybe? You got to thinking about the BNF thing, and instead of looking at how you perceived the industry and fandom, you decided to look at how fandom saw you. Yes?

Because if that's the yes, that's what you're trying to illuminate. That's the light you're turning on the subject. And I do think that's likely it, because you posted that poll and dealt with the results, including the three or four from the spiteful needy no-lifes who resented you for it.

So, since you've already bled over it - maybe stick with that as the focus? Save the other half of what's being covered by this essay for another essay?

Basically, simplify, by sticking to the main thing this essay was about. And follow the secondary road - how fandom and getting involved kept you reasonably intact when you were fracturing - for another essay.

Does that make sense?


Allyson - Apr 05, 2006 5:47:44 am PDT #5920 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Does that make sense?

It does. And it's better taking it from that angle. I opened the story last night and had to close it and go to bed, as it was giving me a stomach ache. I really needed to sleep on it. I know it sounds terribly dramatic, but the story is truly bugging me as a piece of navel-gazey bullshit. I'd much rather post the anonymous posts and answer each of them as a piece.

Most people don't give a crap about my "connections," whatever they are. I'm fascinated by people who do give a crap, and are angry about it. I'm fascinated because I have a clear idea of the differences between friend and fan, and where those things overlap. It's interesting that the responses assume you can't be both things, a fan of someone's work, and a friend of the someone.

Curious boundaries. It's something I can run with.