Every nightmare I have that doesn't revolve around academic failure or public nudity is about that thing. In fact, once I dreamt that it attacked me while I was late for a test and naked.

Willow ,'The Killer In Me'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Allyson - Jan 12, 2006 8:04:40 am PST #5164 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Firstly, congrats on the completed manuscript, Deb!

Secondly, looking at your word count...I think I'm a little fucked. Vampire People looks like it'll come in at a bit over 30,000 words, about 76 manuscript pages. Seems I'm short, both in stature and pages.


deborah grabien - Jan 12, 2006 8:11:41 am PST #5165 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Seems I'm short, both in stature and pages.

NO. Yours is non-fiction. Lather, rinse, repeat as necessary: non-fiction is not onlynot in the same ballpark, it's in a different galaxy.

The only non-fiction books out there that could hope to get away with 85K words are autobiographies/biographies, or minute-by-minute true life war coverage books.

Seriously. Yours sounds just about right.

BTW, a sneaky evil thought crossed my mind. If they want one more essay, you could always add one about your crazy invisible net family friends who are writers, cheering you on and talking you through the maze...


Aims - Jan 12, 2006 8:19:29 am PST #5166 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Heh. I like that. Not that's it's my book. I think it's great, though.


Allyson - Jan 12, 2006 8:26:11 am PST #5167 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

That's my entire list of acknowledgements, right there.

My agent bought me the weekend, which is great. And also means I can put Vampire People to bed this weekend and break out the champagne I've been saving.

End then, hopefully, I'll have to deal with some edits if the editor at ECW makes an offer. I hope.


Amy - Jan 12, 2006 11:37:05 am PST #5168 of 10001
Because books.

if the characters are real and their journey is real, the themes can be automatic, and in fact, will be there, as part of a very organic process.

My thing is, I usually don't know what the themes are until I've written a good deal of the book, or brainstormed it a hell of a lot. I didn't figure out till just recently that the book I'm working on now has a lot to do with honesty, for instance.

My agent bought me the weekend, which is great. And also means I can put Vampire People to bed this weekend and break out the champagne I've been saving.

Go, Allyson! You can do it.


Connie Neil - Jan 12, 2006 1:45:00 pm PST #5169 of 10001
brillig

I'm always surprised to discover themes in my stuff. I never think "What do I want the theme of this to be?" I just tend to write things about loyalty, betrayal, the consequences of choice, and standing by what you believe in for good or ill. It's where the juciest plots lie.


deborah grabien - Jan 12, 2006 3:13:46 pm PST #5170 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Go, Allyson! Nail the vampires book down, and let it fly.

connie, it's also where most people founder on the rocks, and, well, there you go. A writer with any dexterity at all can take those themes and produce a damned good book. If you're Michael Chabon, you take those themes and produce Kavalier & Klay.


Anne W. - Jan 12, 2006 4:40:53 pm PST #5171 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I'm always surprised to discover themes in my stuff. I never think "What do I want the theme of this to be?" I just tend to write things about loyalty, betrayal, the consequences of choice, and standing by what you believe in for good or ill. It's where the juciest plots lie.

Very much, yes. I've also found that extended metaphors will sometimes sneak into my work without my noticing. That's fun.


Allyson - Jan 12, 2006 6:44:08 pm PST #5172 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Is it odd that an editor is asking for a full on a non-fiction proposal? With a deadline?

They usually aren't even written at the proposal stage. Just asking for asking's sake, and also because I need to take a break for a minute.


Connie Neil - Jan 12, 2006 7:12:19 pm PST #5173 of 10001
brillig

Maybe they just want proof that you can deliver.