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The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Allyson - Nov 20, 2005 10:28:50 am PST #4962 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Is it difficult to discern between people who are being nice to you because they're nice to everyone, and people who are nice to you because it makes them feel better?

I ask because I was thinking about this guy I went to college with who was blind. He was standing at a crosswalk, and I watched while I was trying to take a left. The cars kept whizzing by him. When I took my left I blocked the walk, got out of the car, and said, "you can cross now."

And it didn't really make me feel better. It just made me hate everyone else, more.

And then I thought about how people go out of their way to give you stuff, like the guy with the drawing when you came to visit. It seemed like that wasn't so much for you, but to make him feel like he did something nice for someone. And I wondered how often that happens, and if it makes it harder to separate out the genuine people from the clowns.


Typo Boy - Nov 20, 2005 10:31:55 am PST #4963 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

So if you had felt good would it have made you one of the clowns?


Allyson - Nov 20, 2005 10:35:20 am PST #4964 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

No, if I did it solely to make me feel good, or out of a sense of pity, it'd make me a clown. Blocking the crosswalk was about the student, not about me.


erikaj - Nov 20, 2005 10:55:14 am PST #4965 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah. It is hard, that's why I think a true friend is the one who'll confront me when I'm being stupid. That's why the whole Bitches kerfuffle thing confused me so much, because my experience with humoring is so...different from others' To me, that would mean that they didn't trust me enough to be honest, what she was asking... that we carefully consider every word. Doesn't mean I love being flamed, but empty praise is all too easy for me to get. Which is also hard when I send work out, am I talented, or Special?


deborah grabien - Nov 20, 2005 6:25:27 pm PST #4966 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

My problem is always the wrestling with arrogance. I'm never sure if what I'm writing is interesting or just navel-gazing, because I'm writing for my own amusement and not anyone else's. Sure, I want other people to read me, but that comes from the same place as wanting someone to join me for lunch. I'll tell you a story, and then you tell me one. It's a social exercise in that I want to talk to people through the keyboard, but I feel incredibly self-conscious that maybe I'm just talking AT people. Like a blowhard in a bar.

But that's self-correcting, that worry. If you aren't interesting, people won't want to read you. An agent won't want to represent you, or compare your voice to Sarah Vowell's. A massive chunk of this conversation, going back a good long way, wouldn't be taking place. And since we do want to read you, and your agent does want to rep you and does compare your voice to Sarah Vowell's, there's the answer to that worry.

And BTW, navel-gazing is NOT intrinsically boring. It's only boring in the hands of an inept writer who can't distill enough to share.


erikaj - Nov 21, 2005 3:53:50 am PST #4967 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

The example I always think of is "Roger and Me". Because nobody ever said "You know what I'm in the mood for? A movie about the collapse of a town after the departure of the auto industry." But Michael Moore had a story he wanted to tell, so it ended up being, imo, a great film.


deborah grabien - Nov 21, 2005 6:40:36 am PST #4968 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

erika, that's it. And the inverse is also true, I think: someone who doesn't know how to tell a story, who can't distill in a way that raises echoes, can take the most compelling story on earth and turn it into Yawnapalooza 05.


erikaj - Nov 21, 2005 7:02:24 am PST #4969 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Been there, read that.


deborah grabien - Nov 21, 2005 7:41:20 am PST #4970 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Been there, read that.

Yep. And the New York Times probably reviewed it.


deborah grabien - Nov 21, 2005 9:05:26 am PST #4971 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Teppy! Topic, ma'am? It's Monday.