I kissed him, and I told him that I loved him. And I killed him.

Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Pix - Mar 09, 2005 3:18:03 pm PST #454 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Bev, your poem is gorgeous. Oh my goodness. Painful and poignant. It brought tears to my eyes, literally.

Sail's drabble is rrrrow.


Connie Neil - Mar 09, 2005 3:20:06 pm PST #455 of 10001
brillig

I've been mulling the voice meme. The reader part is easy. My problem with the writer portion is, at least with fiction, I don't want to have a voice/style that makes people say, "Oh, that's Connie/riani1/Two Ladies", I want them to get lost in the story without thinking "That sentence/paragraph, that's so her."

I suppose one of the drabbles here is probably the most likely to hold something that could encapsulate "voice." Anything less than a large chunk, and it's like pointing out that I can high C while singing. A properly trained pig can probably hit high C (on some piggy scale). It means nothing to my singing as a whole.

Back to mulling.


erikaj - Mar 09, 2005 3:22:14 pm PST #456 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I was a bit torn between the scene I chose, and that part that they quote in "The Documentary" "You have the right to remain silent. You're a criminal. Criminals always have the right to remain silent." I'm silly about that book, but it really did change my life.


deborah grabien - Mar 09, 2005 3:37:11 pm PST #457 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I don't want to have a voice/style that makes people say, "Oh, that's Connie/riani1/Two Ladies", I want them to get lost in the story without thinking "That sentence/paragraph, that's so her."

Nonsense. Sorry, but that's self-destructive nonsense. Truly. And if I didn't think you could write, I wouldn't bother with what I'm about to say, so for heaven's sake, take this as a positive and don't get defensive over it:

One of the first things you learn as a fiction writer is that those two are not only not mutually exclusive - they actually nourish each other. You're going to shoot yourself in the foot if you try to shove your voice in a drawer. Your voice is a solid percentage of the story.

I can't think of a single writer of fiction that I've ever admired - from Shirley Jackson to Robertson Davies to Roger Zelazny to Michael Chabon - who didn't do precisely that nourishing thing.

And of COURSE you want to have a voice. What you want is for your voice to take your reader by the hand, sit them down, and echo in their internal ears for hours, as they get lost in the story you're weaving, and they trustingly follow that Pied Piper voice down the road of your choosing.

It's after you say "the end" that you want them to say wow, that's so connie.

Embrace that. It's what makes a storyteller. Anything else is inverted snobbery and will keep you from taking that journey.


Susan W. - Mar 09, 2005 3:47:40 pm PST #458 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I think if you write enough you're going to have a voice whether you want to or not. You can't help it.

That said, I rarely think about Susan-voice as I'm writing. I think about each POV character's voice, and whether or not they're distinct and appropriate. But I'm well aware that I have a distinctive style that shines through practically everything I write, and I'm fine with that.

I picked pure dialogue for my reader and writer passages because it's my favorite thing to write.


sj - Mar 09, 2005 4:02:45 pm PST #459 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Wow, Sail that was a very hot drabble.


Pix - Mar 09, 2005 4:31:34 pm PST #460 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Deb, I posted your writer voice meme in my normal LJ. Thank you for that challenge; it was really thought-provoking for me.


SailAweigh - Mar 09, 2005 4:41:27 pm PST #461 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I'm still thinking on the meme. I've only just started writing more than rants on my lj or term papers, so I'm not really sure if I've found my voice yet. I do know what I like to read, though, so I'll probably at least post the reader part of it.


Ginger - Mar 09, 2005 4:49:38 pm PST #462 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I put the writer voice meme in my Live Journal [link] I cheated and put two; I kept trying to whittle it down, but eventually I decided it wasn't worth the head-banging. I just went with the nonfiction, which is my bread and butter. I keep putzing away at bits of fiction, but there was nothing I really liked. I also want to write long, elegant, John McPhee-style nonfiction. I would also like to be taller and have a summer house in the mountains.


Pix - Mar 09, 2005 4:50:29 pm PST #463 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Ginger, I cheated too. I put two short essay excerpts and a poem. I'm not good at following rules.