That's the thrill of living in the Hellmouth! There's a veritable cornucopia of fiends and devils and ghouls to engage ... Pardon me for finding the glass half-full.

Giles ,'Same Time, Same Place'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - Sep 20, 2005 9:38:06 pm PDT #4107 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Yep. Jenny Crusie is a very smart woman, and how right she is.


Amy - Sep 21, 2005 4:37:09 am PDT #4108 of 10001
Because books.

In good news/bad news...

So I finally got an offer to be in another Brava anthology, this time with Lori Foster, which is great, as she has a big following. Yay!

But my novella idea just got shot down, becaues my editor vetoed my tattoo artist hero. Damn it. I'm so sick of genre rules. Who says a tattoo artist can't be sexy or appealing? (And yes, I have been watching Miami Ink, why do you ask?)

And I just got another email instructing me that he can't even *have* a tattoo. I give up. This is why genre kills me. I can't write corporate rich guys or sexy construction workers forever.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 21, 2005 5:00:54 am PDT #4109 of 10001
What is even happening?

He can't even HAVE a tattoo? WUWT? For heaven's sake. Have they taken a look at the arms of the so-called Greatest Generation? Tattoos are hardly alternative on men. Granted, none of my men have tattoos (well, Soul!Sucking Demon boyfriend did, but I mean my dh, my dad, grampies, etc.), but still. My f-i-l has a tattoo. I'm pretty sure at least one of the b-i-ls has a tattoo. And for goodness sake, a lot of construction workers have tattoos.

Hey, maybe you could make him a guy whose backstory includes having to have a tattoo removed, in order to get a job?


Amy - Sep 21, 2005 5:03:30 am PDT #4110 of 10001
Because books.

I think we've decided that he's going to be simply an artist. Maybe working with glass, or metal.

Feh. I want to go get another tattoo myself, in protest.


erikaj - Sep 21, 2005 5:13:53 am PDT #4111 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I personally know a very sweet tattoo artist that loves his wife and kid to death. I bet he would have a great story.(you'd probably want to make him a bit more "straight" than that particular guy, appearance wise, but it is a craft that the good ones devote time to...his apprenticeship was only a bit shorter than my college.) In other word, the publisher is a judgmental fogey and I bet the 18-34s would think your book FG.


Nutty - Sep 21, 2005 5:18:02 am PDT #4112 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I can't write corporate rich guys or sexy construction workers forever.

Um, I don't regularly strip total strangers of the male persuasion naked, but I feel qualified to report that one of these categories is notorious for tattoos, and the other is catching up fast. Do romance editors never go to the beach??

I mean, maybe you would draw the line at porny tattoos on construction workers, although the people who did work on my father's house when I was 10 did not.

Artists also -- tattoo city. Possibly also dreads, those giant enlarged-hole era-piercings, and tongue rings. Anyway, most of the artists I run into.

I know romances often take place in a "never mind the details" alternate reality, but sheesh.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 21, 2005 5:19:37 am PDT #4113 of 10001
What is even happening?

In other word, the publisher is a judgmental fogey and I bet the 18-34s would think your book FG.
Being 4 years outside that demographic, and only a handful of years behind the Baby Boomer women, I think that easily goes past the age 49.


erikaj - Sep 21, 2005 5:25:28 am PDT #4114 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Okay...my bad. See why statistics get messed up sometimes. Anyway, the publisher can come in from 1964 now...he's probably just heard about the cigarettes the jazz musicians are smoking, too. So, it's hard to Cinderella with tattoo guy. Is that the only fantasy there is?


Amy - Sep 21, 2005 5:57:16 am PDT #4115 of 10001
Because books.

Roamnce has all kinds of "rules". No sports guys, for one. Yet Susan Elizabeth Phillips wrote a couple of bestsellers with football players.

Musicians and actors are another no-no.

But this is why chick lit caught on, I think -- younger readers want a little more variety and realism. Romance heroines can never *ever* smoke a cigarette (the horror!), but chick lit heroines can, for instance.

Also, it's not so much my publisher as my editor who objected, and she also happens to be a very good friend. I love her to death, but her idea of sexy and mine aren't always the same. And I really feel like telling her that no matter what she thinks about a particular hero, readers aren't always going to share her squicks *or* her turn-ons.


Susan W. - Sep 21, 2005 5:58:48 am PDT #4116 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

That's just lame, Amy.

t tries to convince plot bunnies to veer a little more toward the historical fiction hutch