You've got my support. Just think of me as...as your... You know, I'm searching for 'supportive things' and I'm coming up all bras.

Xander ,'Empty Places'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Amy - Sep 21, 2005 5:03:30 am PDT #4110 of 10001
Because books.

I think we've decided that he's going to be simply an artist. Maybe working with glass, or metal.

Feh. I want to go get another tattoo myself, in protest.


erikaj - Sep 21, 2005 5:13:53 am PDT #4111 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I personally know a very sweet tattoo artist that loves his wife and kid to death. I bet he would have a great story.(you'd probably want to make him a bit more "straight" than that particular guy, appearance wise, but it is a craft that the good ones devote time to...his apprenticeship was only a bit shorter than my college.) In other word, the publisher is a judgmental fogey and I bet the 18-34s would think your book FG.


Nutty - Sep 21, 2005 5:18:02 am PDT #4112 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I can't write corporate rich guys or sexy construction workers forever.

Um, I don't regularly strip total strangers of the male persuasion naked, but I feel qualified to report that one of these categories is notorious for tattoos, and the other is catching up fast. Do romance editors never go to the beach??

I mean, maybe you would draw the line at porny tattoos on construction workers, although the people who did work on my father's house when I was 10 did not.

Artists also -- tattoo city. Possibly also dreads, those giant enlarged-hole era-piercings, and tongue rings. Anyway, most of the artists I run into.

I know romances often take place in a "never mind the details" alternate reality, but sheesh.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 21, 2005 5:19:37 am PDT #4113 of 10001
What is even happening?

In other word, the publisher is a judgmental fogey and I bet the 18-34s would think your book FG.
Being 4 years outside that demographic, and only a handful of years behind the Baby Boomer women, I think that easily goes past the age 49.


erikaj - Sep 21, 2005 5:25:28 am PDT #4114 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Okay...my bad. See why statistics get messed up sometimes. Anyway, the publisher can come in from 1964 now...he's probably just heard about the cigarettes the jazz musicians are smoking, too. So, it's hard to Cinderella with tattoo guy. Is that the only fantasy there is?


Amy - Sep 21, 2005 5:57:16 am PDT #4115 of 10001
Because books.

Roamnce has all kinds of "rules". No sports guys, for one. Yet Susan Elizabeth Phillips wrote a couple of bestsellers with football players.

Musicians and actors are another no-no.

But this is why chick lit caught on, I think -- younger readers want a little more variety and realism. Romance heroines can never *ever* smoke a cigarette (the horror!), but chick lit heroines can, for instance.

Also, it's not so much my publisher as my editor who objected, and she also happens to be a very good friend. I love her to death, but her idea of sexy and mine aren't always the same. And I really feel like telling her that no matter what she thinks about a particular hero, readers aren't always going to share her squicks *or* her turn-ons.


Susan W. - Sep 21, 2005 5:58:48 am PDT #4116 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

That's just lame, Amy.

t tries to convince plot bunnies to veer a little more toward the historical fiction hutch


Susan W. - Sep 21, 2005 6:01:54 am PDT #4117 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Though I have to admit that one failing of realism in my not-quite-a-WIP anymore is that Jack doesn't smoke. Very unrealistic for him not to. But my father just died of lung cancer, dammit. I just can't put a pipe in my hero's hand.


Nutty - Sep 21, 2005 6:16:54 am PDT #4118 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

No sports guys, for one.

That way lie groupies, is the thinking I bet. Which, yeah, fair cop. I suspect published romance is not a fan of groupies.

Romance heroines can never *ever* smoke a cigarette

In the annals of people who have never seen Now, Voyager (1942). Helloooo, nurse! Sexiest cigarette evar, and I haven't smoked a cigarette in my life.


Lyra Jane - Sep 21, 2005 6:20:06 am PDT #4119 of 10001
Up with the sun

Romance has all kinds of "rules". No sports guys, for one. Yet Susan Elizabeth Phillips wrote a couple of bestsellers with football players.

Musicians and actors are another no-no.

That's whack. My fantasy guy would be a tattooed musician (and, in fact, my husband is one, though he also has a boring corporate job.)

This is probably why I don't read romance novels.