Don't belong. Dangerous, like you. Can't be controlled. Can't be trusted. Everyone could just go on without me and not have to worry. People could be what they wanted to be. Could be with the people they wanted. Live simple. No secrets.

River ,'Objects In Space'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Topic!Cindy - Jul 17, 2005 8:46:13 am PDT #3178 of 10001
What is even happening?

Allyson: Creature Double Feature [link]

He was less disgusted when he realized it was someone else asking. He's got ~10 years on you, anyhow.


deborah grabien - Jul 17, 2005 8:55:55 am PDT #3179 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

No, no, don't three-hole punch anything! A manuscript should always be loose, only bound with a rubber band, unless the agent or editor specifically requests otherwise. It should be, from the bottom up:

Manuscript at the bottom

synopsis, if requested

bio, if requested

cover letter, at the very top

All of it wrapped in a nice hefty rubber band or two.


Susan W. - Jul 17, 2005 9:22:58 am PDT #3180 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

What Deb said. I've also been told it's a good idea to place a sheet of colored paper between the synopsis and the manuscript, just to make it easier for the editor to separate the parts. And if the ms is skinny enough, I think you can use a binder clip instead of a rubber band. Just no staples or other binding.

I think the bio looks great, BTW.

And, y'all please tell me to stop endlessly defending my decision to write commoner heroes over on my Regency list. It's not like I didn't know going in that I'm swimming against the tide on that one. And while it is annoying to hear people say they'd never read a story with a commoner hero because they want the fairytale aspect (what's not fairytale about starcrossed love with a happily ever after, I ask you, and it's not like my own preference for the commoners means I never read books starring dukes), I'm not making them more likely to read my book once it's published by arguing about it. And it's not like there's no one on the list who agrees with me, either.

It's just so hard for me to keep my mouth shut, even when I know the only sensible thing is to shut up and write, and let my stories demonstrate the utter sexiness of the common man.


deborah grabien - Jul 17, 2005 9:39:39 am PDT #3181 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Yes, on the coloured paper, and also yes on the big giant binder clip, but no piercings.

Susan, I am clueless on the commoner problem, because for me, sexy is sexy, and who gives a shit about the title?


Susan W. - Jul 17, 2005 10:05:13 am PDT #3182 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Susan, I am clueless on the commoner problem, because for me, sexy is sexy, and who gives a shit about the title?

I know! But a lot of the appeal of the Regency for many readers is the whole lords and ladies fantasy, so I have to get used to a certain amount of "But that's not what I read a Regency for," if I'm going to bend and break that particular standard.

It's not like I can blame them--I certainly have my own quirks and preferences as a reader. But for almost all of them I'll make an exception if it's well-written enough.


erikaj - Jul 17, 2005 11:10:48 am PDT #3183 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

As I'm writing my own stuff, I know there are people that will hate the hell out of it...partly I want them to, because I'm smashing some idols(in theory, because nobody may ever know...it may be just mine.) Partly, that thought makes me sad because some of my real-life local friends are like "Go you, writing that book!" sight unseen and I believe the fact of what I write will cause them not to feel that way when they see it.(ooh, I said when, not if... I'm in trouble now!) But I have to tell the stories I've got...I've wasted too long trying to be a Nicer person and not respond to all that grotty violence and human failings and...am I the only little girl that never played Princess? Feeling so, reading Susan's crit.


Anne W. - Jul 17, 2005 11:15:01 am PDT #3184 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

am I the only little girl that never played Princess? Feeling so, reading Susan's crit.

No, you're not. I have to admit that I'm a bit boggled at the "nobles only, please" talk. I think that a rough-hewn commoner paired up with a ladylike Edwardian woman is very sexay. IRL, I would probably shy away from the nobles for any number of reasons.


erikaj - Jul 17, 2005 11:20:15 am PDT #3185 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Dude, if it's good enough for fricking Lawrence, it ought to be good enough for that bitch, okay? Pardon my trademark bluntness. Readers like that are probably why so many romances read like clothes catalogs.


Susan W. - Jul 17, 2005 11:25:36 am PDT #3186 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

am I the only little girl that never played Princess? Feeling so, reading Susan's crit.

I used to play Princess Leia.

Which may actually explain why I find the lady-commoner pairing so sexay, come to think of it...


Amy - Jul 17, 2005 11:30:15 am PDT #3187 of 10001
Because books.

Allyson, the bio is wonderful.

But a lot of the appeal of the Regency for many readers is the whole lords and ladies fantasy

For what it's worth, I bought a bunch of non-noble books when I was editing the traditionals. And a couple really odd ones -- a few set in Scotland, even. That said, though, someone in the book was usually noble, even if it wasn't the hero, so there was usually a reference to a house party in the country, or ton parties in town.