ita just gave me grave-cold chills. Personal issues.

Ditto, but not personal issues - ita, you just brought back (in entirely different language) one of the bases of Jackson's "Haunting of Hill House", Eleanor with her invalid needy demanding mother, draining Eleanor's life away, making Eleanor susceptible...

Damn. Nice, nice, whoa and nice.

Wow, ita.

Limps into the thread after three days with no Internet connection (shakes fist at Comcast), with lots of catching up to do.

I swear, being suddenly Internet-less is like going cold turkey, with only slightly less shuddering and heaving.

So much to read! And new drabbles to do...

I just wrote about 700 words on "Cruel Sister", and am still working.

Nice to be able to focus, at all.

And shall be begging my usual beta readers later today, hopefully.

OK, request for help time, not yet beta-reading:

I've just reached a point in writing Cruel Sister where Ringan, dreaming, is seeing the murder of one sister by another. The historical scenario: the girls are of very good family, visiting the Palace of Placentia (or Pleasaunce) in Greenwich, for Henry VIII's wedding to Anne of Cleves.

What would the normal daywear be for teenaged girls of good family, visiting the royal court? The girls are sororal twins, not identical, aged nuble and just about old enough to marry in those days, say about 15-16.

And would their hair be up, or down, normally? I know flowing hair was the sign of a spinster, but did that apply to teenaged girls?

Hair would be down, I'm thinking. Elizabeth herself is sometimes shown with her hair down since, officially, she was a virgin.

I'm guessing you've checked places for basic clothing appearance. At court during the daytime, I'm thinking more ornamentation than a prosperous merchant's wife but not the profusion you see in Elizabeth's formal portraits. The stunning gowns would be reserved for the wedding itself.

Thanks, connie. I've looked at my source books and also checked some of the online sources. One of the problems I'm having is the colour schemes for the fabric. They're unmarried, gently-born Scots, there as part of the king's wedding party but it's days before the wedding. What was considered appropriate colours for girls under those circs? I don't just want to toss out kirtles and overskirts and whatnot with no backup.

The girls, BTW, have just clarified their names for me. As soon as I realised they had to be twins, they named themselves: Margaret and Cecily.

They're dressed exactly like adult women. Their hair is mostly covered by their French hoods. There isn't any particular distinction between daywear and evening wear; if you're going to Court, you wear Court clothes.

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This is Elizabeth I as a teenager. Note that her clothing is no different from that you see on any of Henry VIII's queens. Note that this page has a link to a PDF discussing sources for the dress.

Girls of very good family will be wearing the most expensive clothes the family could afford.

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Heh. Betsy, that was the first picture I downloaded, the young Elizabath.

But the daughters of your basic Scots laird from the River Clyde wouldn't be dressed nearly that spectacularly, surely? Not to compete with a princess royal, I mean?

I very much like this thing, but it may not be grand enough. It does look, between the Holbeins and the modern reproduction costumes, as though colour was not an issue. The girls are ginger-haired; I suspect their doting mama might well have dressed them in something like peacock blue.