Aren't they something. They're like butterflies, or little pieces of wrapping paper blowing around.

Kaylee ,'Shindig'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


§ ita § - May 03, 2005 9:53:02 am PDT #1724 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

See, I have seen it in fiction. "She looked at him with love in her eyes." "She had an outraged look in her eyes."

I think I'm totally confused -- are you saying that those usages are wrong? I think they may be sloppy or easy, but as long as no one's looking at me with love in their eyeballs, I'm not going to be objecting to it by rote.


deborah grabien - May 03, 2005 9:53:13 am PDT #1725 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Oh, a last-thought kind of thing, on the "typos in first draft" deal: I spell-check the entire novel when it's done. The spell checker in Word is slow and cumbersome; there's also the British usage issue.

So I save it for just before I'm ready to print and submit. If my beta readers pick up a typo when they edit and tell me, I'll fix it then, but I don't worry about it until I'm ready to send to my agent or editor.


Allyson - May 03, 2005 9:54:04 am PDT #1726 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Oh, ita, insent. Forgot to say.


deborah grabien - May 03, 2005 9:54:44 am PDT #1727 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

are you saying that those usages are wrong?

I'm not. She is. At age 86, she says the human eye is not a magic receptacle or a carnival mirror, and doesn't show anything without at least some portion of the facial muscles kicking in.


Betsy HP - May 03, 2005 9:56:09 am PDT #1728 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

How does she explain pupil dilation?


Susan W. - May 03, 2005 9:56:50 am PDT #1729 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

(Y'all have no idea how excited I am that there might actually be a market for my book. I'm dancing, here. Dancing quietly, since Annabel is napping, but dancing all the same.)


§ ita § - May 03, 2005 10:02:57 am PDT #1730 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have no idea why I'm interrogating you, Deb, like you're Ruth, or share the POV. You've been clear.


deborah grabien - May 03, 2005 10:03:11 am PDT #1731 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Go get 'em, Susan!

How does she explain pupil dilation?

Huh? Pupils generally dilate in response to loss of light, don't they? Or from some other physical stimulus?

I have my characters' pupils dilating and contracting in opposition to the normal stimuli, as a manifestation of the supernatural; it's one of the ways Ringan knows Penny has something ghosty going on. She has no trouble with it.

What I doubt she could deal with without molar grinding is "her pupils dilated with the force of her love for him."


deborah grabien - May 03, 2005 10:04:12 am PDT #1732 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I have no idea why I'm interrogating you, Deb, like you're Ruth, or share the POV

I'm good with it. Hell, I'd love to see you and Ruth talk about this stuff. She calls herself a completely rational pragmatist. It's amazing she likes my books, but she does.


Betsy HP - May 03, 2005 10:05:34 am PDT #1733 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Huh? Pupils generally dilate in response to loss of light, don't they? Or from some other physical stimulus?

Nope. They also dilate from arousal and interest in general. One of the ways they do behavioral experiments on babies is by measuring pupil dilation when showing them different pictures.

Eyes really do grow darker when you're looking at a sexy being; the pupil dilates.