Another reason that Paul said (I can't remember which letter) that women should keep silent in church is b/c when the early Christians met, they still sat in a way that the men were separate from the women, as in Jewish synagogues.

If there was something that a woman didn't understand during a meeting/teaching, it was common that she would try to get her husband's attention so that he could explain it, and this led to a lot of chatter back and forth.

So what Paul basically meant in this instance was "Tell them to stop interrupting, and to ask you later when it won't disrupt the teaching."

Interesting thought. I bet that happened to Biblical things a lot and after all this time there's been a fair amount of hands in it all. Some good and some just taking a break from writing "Kill".

Paul wrote in Greek, I believe.

D'oh! Struggling to remember specific passages, that sounds right. But I last read it 13 or 14 years ago. I'm stunned that I can even half-assedly remember any of it.

I think that in most of my religious education, there was much more of an emphasis on modesty than on chastity. Which kind of leads there, anyway -- kind of difficult to have sex with a guy if he's not supposed to see your thighs -- but with a really different emphasis. (I remember a conversation I had with a friend who went through the same Hebrew school system that I did -- she was watching Newlyweds, and was totally aghast at what Jessica Simpson was wearing. "She calls herself religious! She's just parading around in a bikini! And her father is there! And he's a minister!" And this friend is not terribly modest herself, or terribly religious, but was just having a lot of trouble getting how someone could say that she's religious and still have no problem going on national TV in a bikini.)

Oh, dear me, Cashmere, THANK YOU. I love the Mingulay song so damn much and I've never found a recording of it before.

Don't mention it. I'm just completely fascinated by his stuff.

I'm reading the news and trying to get my head around the fact that Karl Rove is now in Josh Lyman's office.

My teevee presidential staff is my woobie. I'll be curled up in a fetal position on the sofa if anyone needs me.

Total change of subject, bringing the thread to mememe :)

So far I've made it to all of my classes this semester. I'm going to try really hard to not miss any classes. I mean, if something comes up, I'll miss. But, I'm trying really hard. I want some kind of motivator, though. I need some ideas on some sort of "treat" I could give myself if I make it through the semester without missing any classes. Anyone got any thoughts?

When I feel I deserve a reward, I always go to the bookstore and spend $X (X varying depending on my budget and how big a reward I think I should have) on whatever most strikes my fancy on that day.

It's all well and good to discover that Paul wasn't the mad-eyed, raving, misogynist I always thought, but I somehow doubt that new view is going to change the minds of the folks who wish wimmen would jus' shut up already and go back in th' kitchen and get him a beer.

It's true, Connie. And I know there are people that teach it like that.

Fabric for another quilt?