My whole life, I've never loved anything else.

Oz ,'Him'


Spike's Bitches 22: You've got Angel breath  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


§ ita § - Feb 16, 2005 12:07:14 pm PST #1488 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

articles fretting over women balancing work and family bug me, because men have been doing it for a while

Have they? Isn't it societally allowed for the father to be "less" of a parent than the mother? And if both parents are "less" at the same time, who picks up the slack?

Answer: This woman named Donna, but she's busy raising my cousin's kids right now, so she's not available to help, say, me.


Amy - Feb 16, 2005 12:07:48 pm PST #1489 of 10001
Because books.

sounds almost like either a cult of infancy or a one way trip to the funny farm, for mommy

Oh my good god, yes. I'm a snuggly person some of the time, and I love a good hug, yadda yadda kissycakes, but I reach my tactile limit pretty quickly. If I had a kid hanging off me all. day. long. I would go stark screaming mad.

And co-sleeping? The bed isn't big enough for me and Stephen, if you ask me.


ChiKat - Feb 16, 2005 12:08:16 pm PST #1490 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Yay, Lilty!

Have you tried Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time?

Love this book.

Are you reading the actual Bible at all, though? If not, try Luke.

Cindy made me choke on a grape.

Julia was a November baby

November babies are the bestest.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 16, 2005 12:09:47 pm PST #1491 of 10001
What is even happening?

ION, having a baby in the room while I work at the laptop gives me plenty of opportunity to teach her the meaning of "no," because she really wants to play with the keyboard.

Hee!

Oh my good god, yes. I'm a snuggly person some of the time, and I love a good hug, yadda yadda kissycakes, but I reach my tactile limit pretty quickly. If I had a kid hanging off me all. day. long. I would go stark screaming mad.

I could cuddle, kiss, sing, read, and take walks all day. What I can't do is play games with them all day. I do play with them. I don't play all day long with them. Plus? I think they need to play without me nitpicking them.

And co-sleeping? The bed isn't big enough for me and Stephen, if you ask me.
Word.


Daisy Jane - Feb 16, 2005 12:10:33 pm PST #1492 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Have they? Isn't it societally allowed for the father to be "less" of a parent than the mother? And if both parents are "less" at the same time, who picks up the slack?

That's kinda what I mean though. I'm going to be a little "less" (and I think the quotes are exactly perfect for what I think we're trying to put our fingers on) so Mr. H would have to be a little "more" parent and a little "less" worker. But nobody expects or thinks about that way, just that I would have to be a little "more" of both.


Aims - Feb 16, 2005 12:15:16 pm PST #1493 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

looks at baby in bouncy seat on floor next to her

tickles baby's tummy

goes back to B.org and eBay

Good Enough Prenting scared me, at first. Sometimes, I feel horrible for being irritated that Em chose the last 5 minutes of the movie/show I'm watching to freak out and I can't hear how it ended. Sometimes, I wonder if I'm not helping her develop because she;s in the bouncy seat and we aren't reading (I already read 4 books to her every morning after first feeding and one at night.) or singing or playing. But sometimes, if I don't check an email or price something that I don't need, I get resentful and a resentful mommy is not a good mommy, usually.


Aims - Feb 16, 2005 12:15:59 pm PST #1494 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

t being able to participate in a parenting discussion AS A PARENT is still kinda, "Whoa. WTF??"


Amy - Feb 16, 2005 12:16:22 pm PST #1495 of 10001
Because books.

Isn't it societally allowed for the father to be "less" of a parent than the mother?

I think this is true, sadly. I have friends who, if we're going to a movie, let's say, will tell me their husband is "babysitting" the kids. And when Stephen took our three, seven-month-old baby included, up to his parents' for a weekend, I had friends who were horrified. As in, "You trust him?!" Which I think is weird, because he's their father. And even though he works outside of the house all day, at home, he cooks, he gives them baths, he reads books to them, etc. It came really naturally to him, which is another reason I love him so damn much.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 16, 2005 12:17:03 pm PST #1496 of 10001
What is even happening?

Cindy made me choke on a grape.

Hee. Sorry, Chi. I can totally see how that came across now, and I'm giggling, only because I have no grapes on which to choke.

Gud, if that came across as smartass, well (a) I hope it made you chuckle, and (b) all I really meant was, maybe you just need to read it, and see if you believe it, or if it's at least worth further investigation.

I have a hard time with some of this. I find myself closer to the conservative scholars in personal beliefs, but not so close to conservative Christianity, as it plays out socially speaking, in a pluralistic society. My newest line to my (actually much beloved) Christian friends about the marriage issue, is that Christians have so many issues with our own marriages, that I don't think that a newer family arrangement which may potentially involve somewhere between 1% and 10% of the population is *the* threat we need to worry about. We have seen the enemy and he is us. On the other hand, I think the liberal scholars cherry pick, use completely arbitrary means of determining origins of the NT, and like to make Jesus into a fluffy puppy to justify their own agenda, and he wasn't.

My problem with this? I happen to believe he's who Christendom has claimed him to be, for the past two thousand years. So I gotta keep talking to the Christians.


ChiKat - Feb 16, 2005 12:18:24 pm PST #1497 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

their husband is "babysitting" the kids

Oh, can I even begin to tell you how much I absolutely loathe this?? You don't babysit your own damn kids.