Mal: You are very much lacking in imagination. Zoe: I imagine that's so, sir.

'Out Of Gas'


Spike's Bitches 22: You've got Angel breath  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Jen - Feb 09, 2005 12:07:24 pm PST #140 of 10001
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you

Jilli, it's all yours. I hope it helps. Lord knows I lost a few "friends" in the goth scene here when I got married and chose for the vast majority of my marriage to be monogamous.


DavidS - Feb 09, 2005 12:10:47 pm PST #141 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

You can't put sex in a box.

"Nobody puts sex in the corner." t /dirty dancing


Nicole - Feb 09, 2005 12:12:19 pm PST #142 of 10001
I'm getting the pig!

Now I'm an athiest. If I had to count my sexual partners I think it would take paper and pencil.

I'm confused. Are you saying that one has something to do with the other?

She's been dating the guy for 2 months.

Oh, dear. Marriage after ten years of dating is hard enough. Good luck to them both.

Marriage, monogamy, and declarations of love and eternal fidelity are all optional; none of them definitely make sex better in any moral or satisfaction-rating sense.

Well done. I'ma have this sewn on a pillow.


Atropa - Feb 09, 2005 12:12:37 pm PST #143 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Jilli, it's all yours. I hope it helps. Lord knows I lost a few "friends" in the goth scene here when I got married and chose for the vast majority of my marriage to be monogamous.

I was very surprised to find out that my views are oh-so quaintly Victorian, but no one holds that against me because it goes so well with my wardrobe.

But sex isn't ever only good. You can't isolate the goodness in sex from the potential for the badness that sometimes comes riding along with it, but I see it treated like it can be good period.

I also agree with this. I've just never been able to get to that part of the discussion with very vocal "I'm SEX-POSITIVE and YOU'RE NOT" people, for the reasons I stated previously.


erikaj - Feb 09, 2005 12:14:13 pm PST #144 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, I've had to. And she said box. huh huh huh. And I've noticed Hec to be a man of conviction, but not necessarily intolerant. But maybe we have the same intolerances.


Jen - Feb 09, 2005 12:15:22 pm PST #145 of 10001
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you

Would you, could you, in a box? / Would you, could you, with an ox?

Ahem. Sorry.

Sex of course has the potential to be very, very bad when it's used to hurt another person. But that's not the fault of sex--it's the fault of the person who is using sex to hurt another.

The nature of sex itself, the act of copulating with another person to the pleasure of both, is good. Beautiful. A work of art. (My god, I sound like such a hippy.) Married or not, straight or not, with one person at a time or not--these things are irrelevant except to the people involved.

You want to wait until you're married? My blessings to you and your spouse. You want to screw the entire football team with a smile on your face, and it's really not because you have no self-esteem but rather because you simply love having sex? Here's a big box of condoms--have fun! One is not inherently a better action than the other. It's all a matter of preference, and preferences should be respected, not enforced.


Cashmere - Feb 09, 2005 12:16:29 pm PST #146 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Oh wow! We may need to talk… There is one kid in my class who grew up in Appalachia. Most of his family is still there. It’s interesting hearing his perspectives on stuff. Unfortunately, I completely disagreed with him on something today and made myself look really stupid, but oh well.

I have lots of stories, so ping me on my profile addy if you want to talk via email or if you want my phone number (or give me yours so I can call you). If you let me know what the syllabus out line is, I'm sure I can find tales to fit whatever you're discussing in class.


Betsy HP - Feb 09, 2005 12:17:01 pm PST #147 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

You can't isolate the goodness in sex from the potential for the badness that sometimes comes riding along with it, but I see it treated like it can be good period.

Hmm. I think individual acts of sex can be only good. I think a lifetime of sex can be mostly good.

I think sex is like food -- a lot of the time it is value-neutral. Or, as my favorite bit of the I Ching says, "No praise; no blame."


Scrappy - Feb 09, 2005 12:17:16 pm PST #148 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

But Cindy, I think you can, Just as I can say love is good, even though it can lead to heartbreak and confusion and pain and creativity is good, even though it can lead to frustration and longing and failure. The fact that these good things can have bad outcomes doesn't negate their goodness.


NoiseDesign - Feb 09, 2005 12:18:28 pm PST #149 of 10001
Our wings are not tired

I'm confused. Are you saying that one has something to do with the other?

Sorry, no, they are not. That was my stream of consciousness taking control again.