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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


JZ - Feb 11, 2005 1:11:10 pm PST #6517 of 10002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I utterly loathe the "Never talk about your salary to your co-workers" taboo (though it seems to be helping ita in staying out of the firing line of her aggrieved co-worker's rage).

I remember sitting down with a co-worker in my division a half dozen years ago and mutually confessing our salaries and the last time we'd gotten increases. It was hard and shameful, but instructive, for both of us: it confirmed what we'd both suspected, that our supervisor was playing favorites. The co-worker, who had started three years later than me and had what she herself admitted was a lighter workload (and she couldn't do anything about it, as our supervisor had explicitly forbidden her to take any of my excess work because I was clearly a whiny goldbricker who refused to do her fair share), was two salary steps ahead of me and making $3-400 more a month.

That info-sharing confirmed and clarified our general sense of unease about the supervisor's ethics and competency, and was the catalyst for a series of fortunate events that led to both of us leaving - co-worker for a job that paid less but made her actually happy, me for a slightly higher-paying job under people with zero charm but a comfortingly rigid sense of fair play and mutual respect. And eventually I got to come back, at another salary increase, to work for my beloved doctor again after the evil supervisor had departed.

The don't-discuss-your-salary taboo was definitely one of the many weapons she used to keep her underlings off-balance, dependent on her, and resentful and suspicious of one another, and both my co-worker and I were so damn happy that we went behind her back and did what we oughtn't.

YWorkSituation,SalaryStructureAndEvilSupervisorMV, obviously.


Stephanie - Feb 11, 2005 1:11:57 pm PST #6518 of 10002
Trust my rage

That's our mortgage.

As much as I dislike living in the middle of nowhere, that is the one huge advantage. This house is so much cheaper than our house in Colorado. Of course, I would never choose to live here long term.


Betsy HP - Feb 11, 2005 1:13:02 pm PST #6519 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

A lot of people are paycheck to paycheck.

Which is what's so unconscionably wrong about "paycheck-cashing" businesses. They take desperate people and make them much, much more desperate.

If I were in Congress, there would be a law saying that (A) all banks must cash paychecks they issue and (B) a certain sort of minimum account, WITH DEPOSIT PRIVILEGES, must be available to all comers.


Liese S. - Feb 11, 2005 1:13:16 pm PST #6520 of 10002
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

And we know your dog's name, too, Liese. We're onta ya

Hee! This is true. I am doomed.

Liese (and Kat), my parents have a straw bale house in New Mexico.

Oh, wow, Nonian. I would be really appreciative. Right now we're just reading books and getting all worked up. I may email you later, if that's okay?

And our family is a check-picking-up-family, which causes problems sometimes when we just can't.

Yes, my daughter now owns a pair of MONKEY PANTS!

Whoohoo! Monkey pants! Burrell-baby-monkey-ants!


lori - Feb 11, 2005 1:13:31 pm PST #6521 of 10002

Hey, boss, you look really foamy in a corset!

Thank dog that is never ever a possibility in my workplace.


§ ita § - Feb 11, 2005 1:13:54 pm PST #6522 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

We can't move.

No, no you can't. Damn.


§ ita § - Feb 11, 2005 1:14:00 pm PST #6523 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, and monkey pants!


Lilty Cash - Feb 11, 2005 1:14:33 pm PST #6524 of 10002
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

beth is a Mainer!

Gives beth the secret handshake.


Stephanie - Feb 11, 2005 1:15:02 pm PST #6525 of 10002
Trust my rage

I may email you later, if that's okay?

Please do. My parents are pretty proud of their house because my mom ( a 4th grade teacher) designed it and they really worked hard to keep costs down. They would love to share their experiences and answer any questions.


DavidS - Feb 11, 2005 1:16:42 pm PST #6526 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Which is what's so unconscionably wrong about "paycheck-cashing" businesses. They take desperate people and make them much, much more desperate.

I'd say about 60% of the bank accounts I saw were paycheck to paycheck. Another chunk (maybe 25%?) - were one to two paychecks ahead. The last little chunk of about 15% would be well ahead.

Of course, people that really have a lot of money don't keep it in a bank account. It's out working for them, making them more money. Huey Lewis had six figures in his money market account, though.

But I think that's a fairly accurate snap shot of "working class" (whatever that means in America) finances. At least in California.