You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with until you understand who's in ruttin' command here.

Jayne ,'The Train Job'


Natter 32 Flavors and Then Some  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


DavidS - Feb 10, 2005 8:03:10 am PST #5868 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Eww. Lee has a fish muffin.

This sounds lewd. Is it sweeps week?

Jon Carroll wrote an excellent column about his Project Runway love and why reality shows often have more compelling narratives than scripted shows.


§ ita § - Feb 10, 2005 8:06:46 am PST #5869 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think he makes that case, David. It seems he's saying that reality TV can play with the big boys, not that it often wins.


DavidS - Feb 10, 2005 8:11:26 am PST #5870 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

There seems to be a positive value judgement here:

Reality shows also deal in narrative; the editors take the raw footage and make a story. Since the story must have some grounding in what happened, the story is not predictable. Good guys do not always win. Bad people are sometimes rewarded. Also: no exploding cars, no gun play, no vertiginous close- ups of the sinus passages. Remind me again why reality television is supposed to represent the decline of civilization.


erikaj - Feb 10, 2005 8:14:07 am PST #5871 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

Jon Carroll needs to watch HBO...IJS.


Steph L. - Feb 10, 2005 8:15:24 am PST #5872 of 10002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Hec, a fish muffin is not the same thing as a fish taco, which IS lewd.

the Chris Carmack cover issue of Out this month...

I miss Big Gay Luke.


§ ita § - Feb 10, 2005 8:17:59 am PST #5873 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There seems to be a positive value judgement here:

Positive != often more compelling narrative.

As I said -- I think he says it can play. The sentence "at its best, reality television can be better than most TV dramas and, indeed, most movies" sums that up for me.


bon bon - Feb 10, 2005 8:22:40 am PST #5874 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

My officemate uses "partner."

Anyway, re: the Project Runway article-- the funny thing is that when Austin ended up modeling the uniform last week I too thought, this is what's great and surprising about reality television-- that would never happen in scripted television. Not that that's a bad thing, just that it wouldn't work unless it was real. Also, Jay rules.

I have a working theory that the best seasons of reality television are the first ones, and part of that is the collaborative spirit of the contestants/stars.


Lee - Feb 10, 2005 8:41:53 am PST #5875 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Partner usually means romantic to me, too.

Maybe Kiriko next?

And it's right near krav! Not that it's relevant. It's just a thing.

Sounds like a plan. I'll email you.

Didn't we have the baby yellowtail the first time we Humped?

Yes.

Have you seen it? He's wet.

I think it needs to do on the wet site, so we can all see it.

I have a "oh, we messed up" e-mail to send out today. I'm so very terribly not looking forward to it.

Hate those.

Will people yell at me if they see me here before about 12:30? I need to work.


Kat - Feb 10, 2005 8:46:50 am PST #5876 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Work? Work? No, Lee, don't do that.

I think I'm putting my finger on why I love makeover shows (are you listening, jesse?). I think it's the idea that someone sees potential and has a totally different perception of a person than that person has of himself or herself. It's the idea that someone can do finite things to bring that potential to surface in a way that is totally different than the way you see yourself. It's cool.


Ginger - Feb 10, 2005 8:46:51 am PST #5877 of 10002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Also: no exploding cars, no gun play, no vertiginous close-ups of the sinus passages. Remind me again why reality television is supposed to represent the decline of civilization.

Because there are no exploding cars.