We die horribly and painfully, you go to hell and I spend eternity in the arms of baby Jesus.

Gunn ,'Not Fade Away'


Natter 32 Flavors and Then Some  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Feb 04, 2005 9:59:38 am PST #4059 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've seen Jose work the heavy bag and do general krav. I wouldn't pick him over an all limbs fighter, since he's not that limber or exceptionally fast, but he'd make a solid and imposing bodyguard.


Sparky1 - Feb 04, 2005 10:01:47 am PST #4060 of 10002
Librarian Warlord

This is a widely-held belief that is not entirely accurate.

They certainly screwed up my family name...


Gus - Feb 04, 2005 10:05:33 am PST #4061 of 10002
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

I have to differ with the author of [link] . My family name changed (well after the Ellis Island era) on immigration to the States. Can't blame any INS people, though. My Pops could not spell English.


bon bon - Feb 04, 2005 10:08:47 am PST #4062 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I have to differ with the author of [link] . My family name changed (well after the Ellis Island era) on immigration to the States. Can't blame any INS people, though. My Pops could not spell English.

That's not disagreement; the article is about the unlikelihood of name changes actually deriving from the procedures at Ellis Island.


Gus - Feb 04, 2005 10:13:24 am PST #4063 of 10002
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

That's not disagreement; the article is about the unlikelihood of name changes actually deriving from the procedures at Ellis Island.

Too true. Ellis Island procedures from then are not the INS procedures of today. Today, the INS just says "No!", which is much easier to spell.


JZ - Feb 04, 2005 10:13:30 am PST #4064 of 10002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

My family name changed (well after the Ellis Island era) on immigration to the States. Can't blame any INS people, though.

Ditto my family name, and ditto the blamelessness of the INS. We went for decades believing that it had been mangled by an incompetent clerk, but when I asked my grandfather about it (in his nineties at the time, recalling his arrival at Ellis Island at the age of 13 accompanied only by his also-13 best friend), he said cheerfully that he'd shortened the name himself because he wanted something short and jaunty and American (with a possible small side order of he was all on his own, would never see his parents again, and there was nobody around to forbid him from doing exactly whatever the hell he wanted with his name, so there).


sarameg - Feb 04, 2005 10:26:41 am PST #4065 of 10002

My grandmother & her parents' names came from the ship's manifest (a form provided by the department of Labor) which, given the proper swedish punctuation and spelling, was filled out by a swedish speaker.

I can actually look them up at ellisisland.org and view a scan of the manifests. It's how I learned my g-grandmother's middle name and that they initially went to Lackawanna, NY (I knew they spent some time in NY when they first arrived, I just didn't know where.)


-t - Feb 04, 2005 10:31:26 am PST #4066 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

All my forebears names survived pretty remarkably intact. I do have a Russian great uncle whose name became "Walter Johnson" when he immigrated, but I don't know by what process that happened. He was 17 and didn't speak English and was the first of the family to make it to America, he may have picked an American name to fit in. I don't even know his birth name, he was always Uncle Walter to me.

I think there is a cattle egret outside my window.


Sue - Feb 04, 2005 10:35:17 am PST #4067 of 10002
hip deep in pie

Someone once told my aunt that people with my last name were Jews chased out of Spain, and then forced to convert to Catholicism when they entered France, and given the name of the town as the surname.


Laura - Feb 04, 2005 10:36:54 am PST #4068 of 10002
Our wings are not tired.

Mom's grandmother's last name remained intact, but they decided on the way over from Ireland that Bridget was far too Irish immigrant sounding or something so they changed it to the much more American sounding Delia. Huh.