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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


bon bon - Feb 04, 2005 10:08:47 am PST #4062 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I have to differ with the author of [link] . My family name changed (well after the Ellis Island era) on immigration to the States. Can't blame any INS people, though. My Pops could not spell English.

That's not disagreement; the article is about the unlikelihood of name changes actually deriving from the procedures at Ellis Island.


Gus - Feb 04, 2005 10:13:24 am PST #4063 of 10002
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

That's not disagreement; the article is about the unlikelihood of name changes actually deriving from the procedures at Ellis Island.

Too true. Ellis Island procedures from then are not the INS procedures of today. Today, the INS just says "No!", which is much easier to spell.


JZ - Feb 04, 2005 10:13:30 am PST #4064 of 10002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

My family name changed (well after the Ellis Island era) on immigration to the States. Can't blame any INS people, though.

Ditto my family name, and ditto the blamelessness of the INS. We went for decades believing that it had been mangled by an incompetent clerk, but when I asked my grandfather about it (in his nineties at the time, recalling his arrival at Ellis Island at the age of 13 accompanied only by his also-13 best friend), he said cheerfully that he'd shortened the name himself because he wanted something short and jaunty and American (with a possible small side order of he was all on his own, would never see his parents again, and there was nobody around to forbid him from doing exactly whatever the hell he wanted with his name, so there).


sarameg - Feb 04, 2005 10:26:41 am PST #4065 of 10002

My grandmother & her parents' names came from the ship's manifest (a form provided by the department of Labor) which, given the proper swedish punctuation and spelling, was filled out by a swedish speaker.

I can actually look them up at ellisisland.org and view a scan of the manifests. It's how I learned my g-grandmother's middle name and that they initially went to Lackawanna, NY (I knew they spent some time in NY when they first arrived, I just didn't know where.)


-t - Feb 04, 2005 10:31:26 am PST #4066 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

All my forebears names survived pretty remarkably intact. I do have a Russian great uncle whose name became "Walter Johnson" when he immigrated, but I don't know by what process that happened. He was 17 and didn't speak English and was the first of the family to make it to America, he may have picked an American name to fit in. I don't even know his birth name, he was always Uncle Walter to me.

I think there is a cattle egret outside my window.


Sue - Feb 04, 2005 10:35:17 am PST #4067 of 10002
hip deep in pie

Someone once told my aunt that people with my last name were Jews chased out of Spain, and then forced to convert to Catholicism when they entered France, and given the name of the town as the surname.


Laura - Feb 04, 2005 10:36:54 am PST #4068 of 10002
Our wings are not tired.

Mom's grandmother's last name remained intact, but they decided on the way over from Ireland that Bridget was far too Irish immigrant sounding or something so they changed it to the much more American sounding Delia. Huh.


Susan W. - Feb 04, 2005 10:40:34 am PST #4069 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

None of my ancestors' names got changed at Ellis Island, since they came before that, but I think the Hoovers used to be Hubers and the Fanchers used to be something like Faucher (I'm a distant cousin of the Fanchers who were massacred at the Mountain Meadows Massacre, which is about the best I can do for interesting ancestry). And for some reason some of DH's ancestors decided to change Templeton to Timperley, or maybe it was the other way around.


§ ita § - Feb 04, 2005 10:41:33 am PST #4070 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can actually look them up at ellisisland.org and view a scan of the manifests.

Isn't that cool? I found a remarkable number of relatives that way, including ancestors who were just visiting.


DXMachina - Feb 04, 2005 10:42:09 am PST #4071 of 10002
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I think then that his brains decayed after he left the rarefied air of Oakland. Because, he is universally regarded as a joke in Boston.

I dunno about that. The one time I saw Canseco play live in Fenway, he hit three home runs and a double for Texas. The Sox fans weren't laughing at him then.