Fighters are a different category, in my head, than boxers.
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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
DebetEsse - Feb 04, 2005 8:51:41 am PST #4009 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Nutty - Feb 04, 2005 8:52:38 am PST #4010 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Actually, I was talking about the sport as a whole, but yes, the sleaze tends to start where the money is and trickle downward. I think there has long been organized crime involvement in boxing -- and subsequent blurring of lines, where boxers end up as "enforcers", etc. -- whereas you don't hear about Don Corleone hiring an ex-baseball player to be his bodyguard.
It's got to suck to be a boxer, I should think. The only romance in it is the doomed, Jim Thompson kind of romance.
§ ita § - Feb 04, 2005 8:54:10 am PST #4011 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Fighters are a different category, in my head, than boxers.
I was using fighters as a larger category, of people who beat other people up, in organised scenarios.
The ones I've known who've been boxers haven't been significantly different from those that weren't, but I was keeping it large to make it more abstract.
you don't hear about Don Corleone hiring an ex-baseball player to be his bodyguard.
He should totally hire ... damn! I forget his name. Big guy, Florida I think, major steroids.
And krav.
Jesse - Feb 04, 2005 8:56:03 am PST #4012 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
And krav.
Be your own bodyguard!
...that's what the ads tell me, anyway.
§ ita § - Feb 04, 2005 8:57:21 am PST #4013 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
JOSE CANSECO!!! Corleone should hire him!
Frankenbuddha - Feb 04, 2005 8:58:34 am PST #4014 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
whereas you don't hear about Don Corleone hiring an ex-baseball player to be his bodyguard.
Well, I think that may have a lot to do with baseball being a non-contact sport (ostensibly). It may not be the Godfather doing the hiring, but ex-NFL players often end up working as professional body guards.
Would that it were otherwise - it would make baseball a more interesting game if it was full contact, although I suspect that the players' careers would be a lot shorter.
Fondly remembering a Mad magaizne piece on Basebrawl.
-t - Feb 04, 2005 8:58:49 am PST #4015 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
"At first I thought ultimate robot fighting was real, like professional wrestling. But now I know its fixed, like boxing."
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Sadly, that is all I have to contribute to this discussion. Except that I have never bitten an ear in anger.
Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 04, 2005 8:59:34 am PST #4016 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I think any prospective mob bosses should hire Jeremy Shockey. And make sure he's very visible in predictable locations should they get in a turf war with other mobsters.
Jesse - Feb 04, 2005 9:00:02 am PST #4017 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Except that I have never bitten an ear in anger.
Whenever my mouth has been that close to someone else's ear, I've been.....usually not angry. Although there was that one time...but that wasn't his ear.
DavidS - Feb 04, 2005 9:00:04 am PST #4018 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Doesn't the sleeziness in boxing speak more to the promotors, trainers, money men, etc., than the fighters?
Absolutely.