So is the Pope infallible becaue he says he is, or is there some group of non-Popes who decided that he is infallible?
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tommyrot - Feb 01, 2005 4:00:05 pm PST #2998 of 10002
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sj - Feb 01, 2005 4:05:22 pm PST #2999 of 10002
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So is the Pope infallible becaue he says he is, or is there some group of non-Popes who decided that he is infallible?
Papal infallibility was decided on during the first Vatican Council, I believe.
Steph L. - Feb 01, 2005 4:05:36 pm PST #3000 of 10002
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So is the Pope infallible becaue he says he is, or is there some group of non-Popes who decided that he is infallible?
IIRC, a council of bishops (or cardinals?) decided that yeah, okay, whoever is pope gets to be infallible.
t edit sj is correct -- it was Vatican I. Pope Pius IX basically steamrolled the idea through: "My mind is so made up that if need be I shall take the definition upon myself and dismiss the Council if it wishes to keep silence. "
So, in answer to tommyrot's question, officially some non-popes said the pope is infallible, but in reality, it sounds like Pius IX declared himself infallible no matter what anyone else said.
Alibelle - Feb 01, 2005 4:10:19 pm PST #3001 of 10002
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§ ita § - Feb 01, 2005 4:14:05 pm PST #3002 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
U can be the president.
I'd rather B the pope.
DebetEsse - Feb 01, 2005 4:17:40 pm PST #3003 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.
But does the Pope get to decide when he's infallible (I mean, he only is sometimes. He could say, "No. We won't get salmonella from this cookie dough" and be wrong, and the Catholic Church not come crashing down, because he's not all-Holy-totally-right-all-the-time.)?
Typo Boy - Feb 01, 2005 4:18:15 pm PST #3004 of 10002
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U can be the president.
I'd rather B the pope.
The rest of us have decided we'd rather have you as President. Because then the current resident would not be.
§ ita § - Feb 01, 2005 4:18:27 pm PST #3005 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But does the Pope get to decide when he's infallible
He gets to pick, I'm assuming, when he's ex cathedra and when he's not.
DebetEsse - Feb 01, 2005 4:19:14 pm PST #3006 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Huh. Ok. Interesting
sumi - Feb 01, 2005 4:20:09 pm PST #3007 of 10002
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