Oh, smacked in the noggin with a 2x4 wrapped in velvet. Yeah, that's what it felt like.

Lorne ,'Smile Time'


Natter 32 Flavors and Then Some  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Alibelle - Feb 01, 2005 1:51:01 pm PST #2970 of 10002
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

You know how much I love you Daddy / But if you don't mind I'm only gonna kiss you on the cheek this time

I didn't see anything about not on the mouth, Betsy. I read this line to mean they were doing butterfly kisses on the cheek, and then when she got older, she just kissed him regularly on the cheek instead of doing butterfly kisses. And then I figured she butterfly kissed him on the cheek again at the wedding (instead of him butterfly kissing her tummy), because immediately before walking down the aisle would be a really weird time to make people start stripping out of their formal wear.

You guys are totally allowed your eww, just to be clear. I just don't get it. I like the idea of affection between kids and parents, even cross-gendered, when it seems completely innocent, like this seems (to me).

But I'm going to try and let it go. This will most likely be helped by the slice of cheesecake I'm about to go focus on.


Cashmere - Feb 01, 2005 1:52:33 pm PST #2971 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

Pope hospitalized with "breathing crisis".

Could it be the cloud of gray smoke coming from the college of cardinals?


§ ita § - Feb 01, 2005 1:56:16 pm PST #2972 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I like the idea of affection between kids and parents

Affection -- good. Degree of affection -- variable impact.


Ginger - Feb 01, 2005 2:00:11 pm PST #2973 of 10002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

God, that's an awful song. I keep trying to forget and then ita brings it up again. I need a "Block Butterfly Kisses" function.

When you have a low tolerance for sappiness, something can be sappy enough to bring on nausea. It's the sugar overdose.


Betsy HP - Feb 01, 2005 2:04:11 pm PST #2974 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

I am going to do the ghoulish and tasteless thing.

Supposing the Pope does die this time, he's apparently appointed so many of the College of Cardinals that his successor is bound to be like-minded.

Does it work that way? Or is it possible that a JP2-created Cardinal could go against his mentor?


§ ita § - Feb 01, 2005 2:06:37 pm PST #2975 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Or is it possible that a JP2-created Cardinal could go against his mentor?

What is realistic for "against"? I admit, I don't pay much attention, and couldn't tell you the impact of one pope as distinguished from another.


Betsy HP - Feb 01, 2005 2:09:00 pm PST #2976 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

JP2 is staunch on, among other things, priestly celibacy, disapproval of contraception, and Mary as co-Redemptrix with Jesus.


§ ita § - Feb 01, 2005 2:10:24 pm PST #2977 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

In my naivete, the first two are things I just thought of as Papal.

Interesting.


Betsy HP - Feb 01, 2005 2:11:02 pm PST #2978 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

Okay. As of 2001, JP 2 had appointed 125 of the 135 cardinals who were then eligible to vote. Because you have to be under 80 to vote, some of the remaining 10 may have aged out since then.

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Betsy HP - Feb 01, 2005 2:12:53 pm PST #2979 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

ita, I'm not clear on the theology, but I *think* it is possible for one Pope to reverse encyclicals put out by a previous Pope. Humanae Vitae (the anti-contraception one) wasn't officially promulgated as being infallible, so another Pope could in theory reverse it. Don't hold your breath.